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Old Nov 24th 2015, 05:26 PM
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I would arm the Kurdish rebels in Turkey, give them all the weapons they ask for, and let them go, set their cities on fire. That would be a lesson, hopefully...
I'm not sure that would go over super well with Russia's friends in Syria.

I've said before that I support doing what we can to strengthen Kurdish forces, especially in Rojava. Unfortunately creating a Kurdish state is something that states that appear to be agree on nothing else are consistently unified in opposing.

Seriously though fuck Turkey right now, especially since high up government officials appear to have had something to do with the rise of Daesh to begin with.
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Old Nov 24th 2015, 05:59 PM
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As an aside, MM&I, how sure are you that the Russian jet didn't actually violate Turkish airspace and ignore repeated warnings from Turkey? If I recall correctly, Russian pilots have been pretty bold of late, buzzing a US destroy, etc. Does it really seem unlikely that one would have crossed the border in Syria, either by accident or intentionally to 'tease' the Turks? Do you really trust your government to admit it if that were the case?
1. US sources have confirmed that the Russian aircraft entered Turkish airspace for a matter of a few seconds and that was it.

2. The Turkish 'warnings' (ten of them allegedly) were all issued to the Russian aircraft while it was entirely outside Turkish airspace.

3. The proper protocol for dealing with unidentified aircraft violating one's airspace is to scramble jet fighters to escort the offending aircraft out. Turkey decided to shoot to kill instead.

4. The Russian aircraft crashed inside Syria. Both pilots parachuted and landed in Syria.

5. It appears that the Russian Su24 Flanker aircraft was brought down by an air-to-air missile fired from a Turkish F-16 aircraft inside Syrian airspace at the time of the attack.

6. Turkish tv crews were on hand at precisely the right place and time to film the whole thing. Many have pointed out that this is a highly suspicious and unlikely event suggesting that the whole thing was a pre-meditated act by Turkey.

All in all it looks like Russia is relatively in the clear here (rare situation that is) and that Turkey is entirely the one to blame in this situation (ie. the one acting as an aggressor) - whether it was Turkish belligerence, grandstanding, warmongering or just plain human error, has yet to be determined.

Everything I've stated here comes from today's Guardian's live-blogging and news-aggregating on this issue.
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Old Nov 25th 2015, 06:20 PM
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Russia wasted no time in retaliating against the Turkmen for shooting at, and likely killing, the downed Russian pilot as he dropped helplessly with his parachute from his crippled aircraft. Just minutes ago, (9:00 AM EST) an enormous barrage of Russian Cruise Missiles launched from Russian warships in the Mediterranean, began exploding in the region where the Russian pilot was killed yesterday.

In addition, at least twelve (12) Russian bombers / attack fighters, began precision bombing of Turkman facilities and villages in Syria, all along the Turkish border. The attack is so ferocious, Turkey put its Border Troops on elevated “alert” then raised that status to “Full Alert” because the Russian attacks just kept getting bigger.
http://www.million-girls.beforeitsne...g-2459228.html

Is that what you wanted, Mr. Erdogan?
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Old Nov 25th 2015, 06:31 PM
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Is there any credible news organization posting that?
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Sorry, mate, but that is hilarious. The DM is one of the worst, if not the worst, of the UK tabloids. Anything in it may be entirely made up.
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Old Nov 26th 2015, 01:52 AM
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Whatever, more sources:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...ombard-6898207
http://www.businessinsider.com/russi...ed-jet-2015-11

What, is it so hard to believe we would bomb and kill people who killed ours, along with those close to them?
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Old Nov 26th 2015, 08:18 AM
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Is that what you wanted, Mr. Erdogan?
That makes sense as a response from Putin. Russia has been bombing Turkmen rebel groups in Syria for some time now, so this isn't a major change and won't create the sort of international crisis attacking Turkey directly would. But it still lets him appease the bloodlust among his own constituency. They want people from Turkey to die, so Putin found some he could kill without creating too much trouble.
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Old Nov 26th 2015, 10:40 AM
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Seems that just about everyone thinks that the world's problems are best solved with bombs.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...qF2upQAEAxs.97
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Old Nov 26th 2015, 11:11 AM
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That makes sense as a response from Putin. Russia has been bombing Turkmen rebel groups in Syria for some time now, so this isn't a major change and won't create the sort of international crisis attacking Turkey directly would. But it still lets him appease the bloodlust among his own constituency. They want people from Turkey to die, so Putin found some he could kill without creating too much trouble.
Destroyed a Turkish aid convoy

http://en.hunternews.ru/?p=2869

Hey, we did not call Turkey out, they called us out
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