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Old Jun 20th 2016, 11:18 AM
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Speaking of the Bremain/Brexit thing -absurd names anyway- what do you all think of this?

It's hardly my expertise but if you look at the numbers a Brexit appears to be quite absurd. More than half of the UK's exports and imports are with EU countries. After a Brexit this trade will remain subject to the exact same rules and regulations which are vilified now by the Brexit campaign. It doesn't matter whether one likes them or not, whether they are good or bad, the fact is that they will remain applicable. Those rules include the free movement of people from all countries inside the EU. All countries, and all people inside those countries.

It's simple, if the UK wants to close their borders to certain singled out immigrants, they're also closing their borders to the trade with the EU. That would unquestionably be a disaster for the UK. Again, that is the case regardless of how one considers this. Good or bad idea, it is and will remain applicable.

The only thing that would really change is that instead of having a moderate impact on the decision making that leads to those rules and regulations they would have none whatsoever. How is that an improvement?

What's more, the isolation of the UK after a Brexit would almost certainly lead to a successful secession of Scotland. It was already very close before and a Brexit would push the issue over the edge. And then you're left with an England with hardly any manufacturing (yay, Thatcher) and with a City who would dwindle in importance due to its isolation leaving the financial economy (a contradiction in terms but that's another discussion) equally crippled.

On the 'plus' side though, they'd have Boris Johnson as PM
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Old Jun 20th 2016, 06:02 PM
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Speaking of the Bremain/Brexit thing -absurd names anyway- what do you all think of this?

It's hardly my expertise but if you look at the numbers a Brexit appears to be quite absurd. More than half of the UK's exports and imports are with EU countries. After a Brexit this trade will remain subject to the exact same rules and regulations which are vilified now by the Brexit campaign. It doesn't matter whether one likes them or not, whether they are good or bad, the fact is that they will remain applicable. Those rules include the free movement of people from all countries inside the EU. All countries, and all people inside those countries.

It's simple, if the UK wants to close their borders to certain singled out immigrants, they're also closing their borders to the trade with the EU. That would unquestionably be a disaster for the UK. Again, that is the case regardless of how one considers this. Good or bad idea, it is and will remain applicable.

The only thing that would really change is that instead of having a moderate impact on the decision making that leads to those rules and regulations they would have none whatsoever. How is that an improvement?

What's more, the isolation of the UK after a Brexit would almost certainly lead to a successful secession of Scotland. It was already very close before and a Brexit would push the issue over the edge. And then you're left with an England with hardly any manufacturing (yay, Thatcher) and with a City who would dwindle in importance due to its isolation leaving the financial economy (a contradiction in terms but that's another discussion) equally crippled.

On the 'plus' side though, they'd have Boris Johnson as PM
The popularity of the 'Brexit' option seems to be not much different than the Trump phenomena (or the old Quebec separatists). That is to say, they hold their opinion DESPITE all the facts. That facts that you and I agree to, they will call propaganda and lies. In their alternative reality, those facts just don't exist.

Btw, from what I've been reading about the British polls is that the growing support for Brexit is coming mostly from Labour voters.

As far as I can see, the one thing that is ultimately driving the 'Brexit' thing is hatemongering against Muslim immigrants. Nothing else makes any sense at all.
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Old Jun 23rd 2016, 12:39 AM
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Yes, that's certainly part of it. Also the absurdly false stories in the tabloids about EU bureaucracy.

But maybe the referendum isn't all that important. As more and more seem to say: Instead of being half in the EU for twenty years, the UK will now be half out of it for twenty years.
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Old Jun 23rd 2016, 02:05 PM
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Brexit would be non-sensical. But the world is non-sensical at the moment.

We wiill have to live with the consequences. I feel very much for my British colleagues at the moment. It's not a soccer game, it's not an election with a result to live with for 5 years.

It's a no return result.
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Results should come very soon. Last minute polls put the race very, very close right down to the wire.
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Hmm, Leave seems to be taking a significant lead right now, viz. 1,038K vs 900K. Time to dump those £
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Hmm, Leave seems to be taking a significant lead right now, viz. 1,038K vs 900K. Time to dump those £
Still close at this hour... 6.9 million (leave) vs 6.55 million (remain).
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Old Jun 23rd 2016, 10:35 PM
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Leave leading by nearly 400,000. Plenty left to come in though. Dunno how UK counts, but rural usually comes in first then the urban districts start to swing in the other direction.

But maybe these idiots really will leave. Ah the follies of democracy.
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Old Jun 23rd 2016, 11:12 PM
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More than half a million in the lead when Leave only requires some 6 million votes anymore. Pretty much a done deal unless some large and disproportionate results are yet to come in.

June 24, 2016 will be an interesting day in the world.
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Old Jun 23rd 2016, 11:27 PM
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Three quarters of a million. I'm calling it.

Next up:
  • Secession of Scotland
  • New Troubles in Northern Ireland
  • The City moves to Frankfurt
  • Collapse of the NHS
  • RIP UK
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