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Old Jan 2nd 2014, 12:49 PM
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Is art the perversion of the ethical or just the avoidance of it?
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The ethical what?
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The ethical what?
Here ethical is a noun not an adjective or you might prefer, is artistic endeavour a perversion of the ethical life or just an avoidance of it'
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I very, very deeply disagree that it is either of those things. What inclines you to think that it is such?
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I very, very deeply disagree that it is either of those things. What inclines you to think that it is such?
1.Everyone searches for value
2.The proper end of that search is the ethical but it is exceeding hard
3.Art provides value substitute without the pain that is the struggle for the ethical
4.Art therefore is a sop for those not strong enough for the ethical
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Is art the perversion of the ethical or just the avoidance of it?
What an extraordinary and interesting question!

Though, isn't the avoidance of ethics the same as a perversion of ethics?

I'm inclined to say that art is an avoidance of the ethical, though I'm certainly not strong on this belief (or the nature of the question).
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1.Everyone searches for value
2.The proper end of that search is the ethical but it is exceeding hard
3.Art provides value substitute without the pain that is the struggle for the ethical
4.Art therefore is a sop for those not strong enough for the ethical
Okay, I can go along with that.
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What an extraordinary and interesting question!

Though, isn't the avoidance of ethics the same as a perversion of ethics?

I'm inclined to say that art is an avoidance of the ethical, though I'm certainly not strong on this belief (or the nature of the question).

No, to avoid something leaves it unchanged, to pervert it does not
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Okay, I can go along with that.
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Old Jan 3rd 2014, 11:57 AM
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Why do we think that art provides value without pain?

Also, are we talking about the experience of creating art or observing art, or both?
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