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Old Sep 20th 2016, 11:41 AM
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Okay, this may be why it's different:

Old news, but news to me, just posted by Pax Aeon at politicalforum.com:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/...lineistan-war/

Reads like a complex mystery revealing the possible importance of Syria to a Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline that could impinge on the US dollar in the near future.

I'm not saying that this is the whole story, or even that it's partially true, but it give me a hint, anyway, of just how complicated the US-Russia-Syria-Iran-Turkey situation might be.

We've known all along that it's not about good regimes or bad regimes or the welfare of Mid-Eastern people.
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Okay, this may be why it's different:

Old news, but news to me, just posted by Pax Aeon at politicalforum.com:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/...lineistan-war/

Reads like a complex mystery revealing the possible importance of Syria to a Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline that could impinge on the US dollar in the near future.

I'm not saying that this is the whole story, or even that it's partially true, but it give me a hint, anyway, of just how complicated the US-Russia-Syria-Iran-Turkey situation might be.

We've known all along that it's not about good regimes or bad regimes or the welfare of Mid-Eastern people.
Afghanistan is another holy grail for gas pipelines and has been since the early 1990's. That's why the Taliban were meeting at the White House with George W Bush in 2001 pre-911.

Ukraine is another gas pipeline hotspot.

Notice any patterns here?
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Old Sep 24th 2016, 08:13 AM
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Maybe when Ash Carter retires as Defense Secretary he can get gigs as a stand-up comic:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/09/07/u...ational-order/

All the kings horses and all the king's men...
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/09/07/c...ogether-again/
Ashton Carter reminds me of Robert McNamara and his Whiz Kids during the Vietnam War:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids ... of_Defense)

Carter has an incredible resume- Graduated summa cum laude with a double major in physics and medieval history at Yale, a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, a doctorate in theoretical physics, professor of science and international affairs at Harvard, etc. And yet, he seems totally nave, friggin' clueless. Is he really clueless, or simply a willing stooge of the CIA and the Pentagon?

I wonder if anyone will ask him about this?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/u-s-coa...report/5547099
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Old Sep 24th 2016, 09:28 PM
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This is what's going on in Syria from the Russian point of view:
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/bre...or-aleppo.html

There seems to be nothing to report on from Ashton Carter or John Kerry:
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Old Sep 25th 2016, 08:20 AM
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This is what's going on in Syria from the Russian point of view:
http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/09/bre...or-aleppo.html

There seems to be nothing to report on from Ashton Carter or John Kerry:
That's because [apparently] America just broke the ceasefire agreement.

I give up trying to figure out what's going on in Syria. The world is fucked up.
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Old Sep 25th 2016, 08:43 PM
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I give up trying to figure out what's going on in Syria. The world is fucked up.
I agree. Just a few days ago I became convinced it was about gas pipelines, then I read this:
http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2...-pipeline-war/

But anyway, we can still be sure that all the bombing and mayhem caused by the US and Russia has nothing to do with democracy or the welfare of average Mid-Easterners. They don't figure into the plans of the top assholes in the Pentagon or Russian Defense Ministry at all in this obsolete game of thrones.
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Old Sep 26th 2016, 07:58 AM
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To the US Government, anyone who attacks or opposes US military, US government or US interests are terrorists. That's all there is to it. That's the definition of terrorism. Bombs blowing up in the third world isn't terrorism if no US interests are harmed.
I follow a few other political forums besides this one.

It seems that there are a lot of people who like either Obama or Putin, and think that one or the other is basically motivated by good intentions. Maybe both sides are ight about this.

But, I don't see anyone who thinks any longer that the deep state professional career warriors at either the Pentagon or the Russian Ministry of Defense have any interest at all in helping oppressed people overthrow a yoke of tyranny and establish democracy, as we used to believe.

It seems that we've all stopped drinking that Kool-Aid, and maybe this might be one small positive step for mankind.
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But, I don't see anyone who thinks any longer that the deep state professional career warriors at either the Pentagon or the Russian Ministry of Defense have any interest at all in helping oppressed people overthrow a yoke of tyranny and establish democracy, as we used to believe.
I can't believe that anyone outside of America has ever believed that about America since the 1960's. And anyone who ever believed that about the USSR was just plain dellusional.

The game has always been about geo-strategic power.

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It seems that we've all stopped drinking that Kool-Aid, and maybe this might be one small positive step for mankind.
I don't think so. Kool-aid drinkers seem to be a massive majority everywhere. Just sometimes the bullshit they believe in changes over time to some other different bullshit.
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Old Oct 1st 2016, 02:06 AM
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What has Russia Accomplished in Syria? --An Al Jazeera video:
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/...171256667.html
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Let's hope that there will soon be peace and democracy in Syria.
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