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Old Nov 10th 2016, 05:58 AM
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Did Putin put Trump in the White House? I think he contributed, and it appears that HimHimselfAndHe thinks Putin put Trump in the White House.

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Putin is pleased
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politi...-world-reacts/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406741.html

And in the Duma, our parliament, there was wild applause when Trump's victory was announced
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406866.html



You want the truth, my dear American friends? Yes, Russia helped Trump win. We did. And many of us are even proud of it. Because, for us, this is, above all, payback. What you feel now? This is how many here felt 20 years ago, in 1996, when the Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov was winning our Presidential Election, and America, afraid, perhaps, of another Communist government, interfered covertly and helped the drunken idiot Yeltsin secure another term, another horrible, disastrous 4 years in Russia's history...

I was too young to vote then. I care less about all that. But, I understand those who do. They were robbed, back then. Now, is their revenge... You fucked up our election, now we fucked up yours. Sais la vie. Sorry...
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I did say "helped", not "put".
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I think they tried to help, but I don't think it was really what put him in the Whitehouse.
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Old Nov 10th 2016, 03:39 PM
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I did say "helped", not "put".
Well, it was very even, with Clinton winning the popular vote. The help that you speak of may well have made the determining difference.
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I think they tried to help, but I don't think it was really what put him in the Whitehouse.
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I think they tried to help, but I don't think it was really what put him in the Whitehouse.
Indeed, I agree.

Though, Russia was the source of the big last minute media frenzy for "Hillary's emailz are criminal!" fake scandal that clearly did have an effect. Some 4 million Democrats who voted for Obama in 2012 stayed home on Tuesday - and that definitely put Trump in the White House.
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Now that we know that the popular vote difference between Clinton and Trump was nearly 3 million in favour of Clinton, can Putin's help for Trump be seen as more decisive?
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Now that we know that the popular vote difference between Clinton and Trump was nearly 3 million in favour of Clinton, can Putin's help for Trump be seen as more decisive?
No it cannot, because without the active support for Russian election hackers from US mass media corporations and the FBI, all Putin's help would have been useless.

The actions of the FBI and US mass media were decisive and highly partisan.

That is to say, the New York Times put far more effort and material resources into defeating Hillary and electing Trump than Putin did.
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No it cannot, because without the active support for Russian election hackers from US mass media corporations and the FBI, all Putin's help would have been useless.

The actions of the FBI and US mass media were decisive and highly partisan.

That is to say, the New York Times put far more effort and material resources into defeating Hillary and electing Trump than Putin did.
Isn't this one of those "if the glass was made of clay it would have been a cup" posts? My question was about the consequences of Putin's help to Trump, not the cause.
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Isn't this one of those "if the glass was made of clay it would have been a cup" posts? My question was about the consequences of Putin's help to Trump, not the cause.
Trump got elected. A lot of different factors had to come together to produce that result. Trying to pin the election of Trump on one single definitive cause is a fool's game.

Yes Putin and/or the Russian state directly got involved in the US election, feeding hacked bullshit to Wikileaks who peddled it to US media who went overboard with the bullshit. And yes, FBI Director Comey's actions were utterly deplorable, entirely unprofessional and blatantly partisan. And yes, the media treated Hillary's email/server issue as a HUGE SCANDAL pretty much non-stop, though it wasn't much of anything and nothing illegal and that was established months ago, yet the mass media barely scratched the surface of Trump's litany of horrible public comments, his enormous conflicts of interest and his long track record in business of ripping off contractors, etc.

And a half-dozen Republican controlled state houses doing all they could to reduce voter turnout among minority voters in various important and key swing states, with a wide variety of tactics, also had a part in the result. Also the presence of two different third party candidates had an effect. And the odds of a Democrat winning the WH after two terms of a Democrat in the WH are very long odds just to begin with.

And none of this even addresses the actual election-voting data, of which demographic groups voted how compared with previous elections, which also shows very little that is conclusive or unusual in past voting patterns, other than the fact that a strong majority of 'late-breaking swing voters' tended to swing to Trump in the last 10 days of the election campaign, the timing of which points to Comey's actions as particularly noteworthy.

Bottom line is that there is no way one can isolate a single 'cause' of Trump's electoral victory.
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Trump thinks the same as HimHimselfAndHe does. ""As far as hacking, I think it was Russia," Trump told reporters during his first press conference since winning the Nov. 8 election." 11. January 2017;" http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=44710391

Trump expresses displeasure at Putin's doings, but says he doesn't think Putin will do it again.
"Trump added that Russian President Vladimir Putin "shouldn't have done it" and he doesn't believe Putin will "be doing it more now" after he's inaugurated on Jan. 20." 11. January 2017; http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump...ry?id=44710391
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Putin is pleased
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politi...-world-reacts/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406741.html

And in the Duma, our parliament, there was wild applause when Trump's victory was announced
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406866.html



You want the truth, my dear American friends? Yes, Russia helped Trump win. We did. And many of us are even proud of it. Because, for us, this is, above all, payback. What you feel now? This is how many here felt 20 years ago, in 1996, when the Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov was winning our Presidential Election, and America, afraid, perhaps, of another Communist government, interfered covertly and helped the drunken idiot Yeltsin secure another term, another horrible, disastrous 4 years in Russia's history...

I was too young to vote then. I care less about all that. But, I understand those who do. They were robbed, back then. Now, is their revenge... You fucked up our election, now we fucked up yours. Sais la vie. Sorry...
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Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI View Post
Putin is pleased
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politi...-world-reacts/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406741.html

And in the Duma, our parliament, there was wild applause when Trump's victory was announced
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7406866.html



You want the truth, my dear American friends? Yes, Russia helped Trump win. We did. And many of us are even proud of it. Because, for us, this is, above all, payback. What you feel now? This is how many here felt 20 years ago, in 1996, when the Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov was winning our Presidential Election, and America, afraid, perhaps, of another Communist government, interfered covertly and helped the drunken idiot Yeltsin secure another term, another horrible, disastrous 4 years in Russia's history...

I was too young to vote then. I care less about all that. But, I understand those who do. They were robbed, back then. Now, is their revenge... You fucked up our election, now we fucked up yours. Sais la vie. Sorry...
http://www.discussionworldforum.com/...t=5183&page=80
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