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Old Oct 24th 2016, 06:16 PM
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There's a lot of fuss about the refusal of the regional Walloon government refusing to give the nod to the CETA agreement between Canada and the European Union.

But they're absolutely right in doing that and the fact that none of the christian democrats, none of the classical liberal parties and above all almost none of the social democrat parties in 28 countries do the same illustrates that there is indeed a huge gap between the electorate and their so-called representatives.

It's not about Canada. Everyone likes Canada. It's not even about the actual trade agreement which is decent enough and is not dissimilar to what the European Unions is all about in the first place.

It's about the institution of the ICS, i.e. a court system that is placed above all political organization, even above the EU itself and which gives shady, undefined corporate 'judges' the power to impose penalties on democratically chosen policies. Policies which are in the general interest of the population such as environmental ones, social ones, cultural ones, policies geared towards the interests of workers or unions, will all be potentially liable to huge 'fines' imposed upon democratically elected countries because they 'might' have a negative impact on the already massive profits of multi-national corporations. Those corporations won't even have to prove damages, an extrapolation between their actual profit and what they claim would have been their profit without the policy is all it takes.

So social and environmental policies will be forsaken, stripped down to irrelevancy or lead to massive budgetary problems due to the fines imposed upon the people by a handful of corporate chosen pseudo-judges. That would make elections and political representation completely superfluous. It's a de facto abolition of the democratic principle. In fact, I would go as far as saying that the politicians who would sign this are guilty of nothing less than high treason.

What we need in the world is the exact opposite. The power of the corporations needs to be curtailed, not that of the people. The consequences of unchecked power for multinationals are already pushing the environmental, political, social and economical world to the brink of irreversible collapse. By taking away the primary power of the political representatives it will not even be possible to address any of the major issues of the day such as climate change, food quality and quantity, resistant bacteria and a few hundred more critical issues.
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Old Oct 25th 2016, 05:53 PM
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It's about the institution of the ICS, i.e. a court system that is placed above all political organization, even above the EU itself and which gives shady, undefined corporate 'judges' the power to impose penalties on democratically chosen policies. Policies which are in the general interest of the population such as environmental ones, social ones, cultural ones, policies geared towards the interests of workers or unions, will all be potentially liable to huge 'fines' imposed upon democratically elected countries because they 'might' have a negative impact on the already massive profits of multi-national corporations. Those corporations won't even have to prove damages, an extrapolation between their actual profit and what they claim would have been their profit without the policy is all it takes.

So social and environmental policies will be forsaken, stripped down to irrelevancy or lead to massive budgetary problems due to the fines imposed upon the people by a handful of corporate chosen pseudo-judges. That would make elections and political representation completely superfluous. It's a de facto abolition of the democratic principle. In fact, I would go as far as saying that the politicians who would sign this are guilty of nothing less than high treason.
Pretty much exactly the same as the "Trans Pacific Partnership" (TPP) agreement.

I agree that these extra-judicial corporate kangaroo courts are a horror story. Any trade agreement that includes them should be opposed by all rational people who are not paid toadies of the corporations.

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What we need in the world is the exact opposite. The power of the corporations needs to be curtailed, not that of the people. The consequences of unchecked power for multinationals are already pushing the environmental, political, social and economical world to the brink of irreversible collapse. By taking away the primary power of the political representatives it will not even be possible to address any of the major issues of the day such as climate change, food quality and quantity, resistant bacteria and a few hundred more critical issues.
What we need is actual free trade I think. These trade deals are all about 'closed trade' or 'controlled trade' and special relationships and favored interests.

It is a radical notion, but our present trade environment is all about stacking the decks in favor of multinationals and fuck everyone else. I think an actual level playing field wouldn't be so favorable to the multinationals. The multinationals NEED lots of government laws and regulations in their favor in order to crush their competition. That's what Trade Agreements are all about.
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