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Old May 12th 2009, 10:38 AM
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LOL! Yeah. I got a lotta heat for saying Christians believe in fairy tales. So much for turning the other cheek. They came after me ferociously. Never forgot it and brought it up every chance they could. Pete let me come back - with the caveat that one wrong move and I'm outta there again. So I posted a bit and one of the best mods (I couldn't believe it!!!) came after me personally, not posting about the topic, but taking a jab at me instead. I replied that I was surprised and I expected much better from him! And that got me re-banned, for life. So that's that! They really didn't plan on giving me another chance. It was only a matter of time before they found an excuse to boot me out.

Did you get banned from there too?
No, I left on my own when I understood the core posters were a soft version of Stormfront brimming with stark xenophobia.
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Old May 15th 2009, 02:07 AM
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Thank you It's great to see the familiar names again. USPOL was the first forum I posted on. I thought it was the biggest and the best and when I was banned I was kinda depressed. Mrs M and MattLarson really pushed my buttons and made my head explode. Now though, I'm on a bigger board. I think it's better because just about 24 hours a day it's hopping with like 50 people, at the least, posting. You can post and a second later there can be 3 more posts right after yours. www.politicalforum.com if your interested. I've invited two people here, from there, so far. I don't think they registered yet.

I like this board a lot though. As partof me said somewhere, it's great for bringing down the blood pressure after dealing with some of the kooks, elsewhere. And Michael has encouraged the best and the brightest here (I don't include myself in that description) and I really like learning from you guys.
I hope you don't come to regret that invitation. May I ask who was the other? A bunch of us came from Political Hotwire and I'm curious if your other choice was one of them. I'm assuming I'm one of the ones you mentioned above. If so I'm honored to be so selected.
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Old May 15th 2009, 02:33 AM
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"Who are you?"

So sayeth the caterpiller...
I'll be up front, I'm not who I say I am.

Politically I'm a liberal and I frequently take extremely liberal positions when bickering with the righties. In fact, fiscally I'm pretty moderate. Socially liberal except I'm ambivilent regarding abortion. I hold a BSN and MA degrees. I'm an educator (adult ed-my real job) and a certified death investigator (deputy coroner). I already own all the guns I need (no hand guns) and I haven't bought a single bullet since Obama was elected. I was invited here by one of the other members, enticed by the offer of sanctuary in a bitter world. As time goes by I'll offer more.
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Old May 15th 2009, 02:38 AM
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I'll be up front, I'm not who I say I am.

Politically I'm a liberal and I frequently take extremely liberal positions when bickering with the righties. In fact, fiscally I'm pretty moderate. Socially liberal except I'm ambivilent regarding abortion. I hold a BSN and MA degrees. I'm an educator (adult ed-my real job) and a certified death investigator (deputy coroner). I already own all the guns I need (no hand guns) and I haven't bought a single bullet since Obama was elected. I was invited here by one of the other members, enticed by the offer of sanctuary in a bitter world. As time goes by I'll offer more.
I'm glad you joined Henry! Not everyone here agrees with us (you and I agree on a lot I've noticed). But a lot of the posters here are really smart and I like to learn. Welcome!
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Old May 15th 2009, 03:17 AM
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Hey y'all.

Finishing up my jr. year at college while chasing my economics and finance degrees, I'm a former politics and news junkee who dropped interests in both areas after feeling burned out from the same sorts of stories everyday. A disaster here, a technology there, a market here, an arrest there. Cynicism was an unavoidable result from being spoiled by information overload, but along with it came an implosion in my memory which keeps me from remembering where everything I learned has come from. I was originally planning on going to law or grad school, but my growing hatred for citing sources when writing papers and reading hundreds of them when critiquing what I read has just completely exhausted me.

I've posted on forums like this one for several years now, and I've undergone a drastic shift in positions over the journey. Originally a democratic socialist when I entered high school, I've flipped around between liberal democrat, geolibertarian, anarchist, syndicalist, paleoconservative, neoconservative, anarcho-capitalist, and plenty of other labels that I can't rattle off the tip of my tongue right now since the memories are planted in some random crevice in my brain which I don't care to dig up right now. Regardless, my current position is a mesh of plenty of ideas, and rather than go through an endless list of labels, I'll just call myself an independent to keep it brief.

There is one pet peeve of mine which I feel I should get off my chest though since I'm finding it to be more and more pervasive on online forums - attention deficit ad hominem attacks. I'm not talking about the trolls who just call you names and claim that the reason you can't understand them is because you're just blind, deaf, and dumb. I can handle those guys. What I'm talking about are the "empirical" deconstructivists who pick your proposition apart either line by line or ignore entire sections altogether and have no regard for intuitive, holistic, dynamic perspectives of the world. Yes, there are pseudo-intellectuals out there in the world and tests need to be administered to distinguish the visionaries from the con artists, but reliance upon absurdity to embarrass an opponent via popular appeals, appeals to pity, or appeals to authority completely undermine the ultimate premise of debate which is to discover truths and expose falsehoods. Absurdity's OK when you want to persuade a person that he's going onto a tangent that's distracting from either his own objectives or your shared objectives, but it's pointless to participate on an online debate forum for fun when you have to compete in that forum's internal politics just to be respected.

IRL, humanity and ingenuity are the two principles which garnish my respect and I hold the same benchmark for the net. Cliques are a liability that no online community should be willing to endure (although public teams are fine when official competitions are taking place) since they only subdivide the community's solidarity. I just hope you guys here feel the same way.
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Old May 15th 2009, 04:10 AM
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Hi. I'm Thomas Paine, aka Tumbleweed. I got an invite to the forum so I decided to check it out. I'm an Independent who leans Liberal on most social issues and Conservative on most fiscal issues, but since there are very few fiscal conservatives in our government I tend to support more Democrats than Republicans.

I live in northern Maine, in the U.S., just a few miles from Canada. I'm registered on quite a few forums so I may have crossed paths with a few members here. I usually have an opinion on a wide range of topics so I'll jump in where the opportunity presents itself.
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Old May 15th 2009, 07:23 AM
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I hope you don't come to regret that invitation. May I ask who was the other? A bunch of us came from Political Hotwire and I'm curious if your other choice was one of them. I'm assuming I'm one of the ones you mentioned above. If so I'm honored to be so selected.
I believe that Thomas Paine (aka Tumbleweed) is the other, though I'm only guessing.

Btw, I'm the one who invited Evangeline over here, and she's invited you, and that's good enough for us!

Welcome aboard, I'm sure you'll find this place to be rather less crazy and chaotic than PH or PF - we're a friendly bunch here with a good range of political opinions - though, we do have a slight shortage of hardcore right-wingers and conspiracy theorists...
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Old May 15th 2009, 07:25 AM
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I hope you don't come to regret that invitation. May I ask who was the other? A bunch of us came from Political Hotwire and I'm curious if your other choice was one of them. I'm assuming I'm one of the ones you mentioned above. If so I'm honored to be so selected.
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Hi. I'm Thomas Paine, aka Tumbleweed. I got an invite to the forum so I decided to check it out. I'm an Independent who leans Liberal on most social issues and Conservative on most fiscal issues, but since there are very few fiscal conservatives in our government I tend to support more Democrats than Republicans.

I live in northern Maine, in the U.S., just a few miles from Canada. I'm registered on quite a few forums so I may have crossed paths with a few members here. I usually have an opinion on a wide range of topics so I'll jump in where the opportunity presents itself.
Welcome Thomas Paine, with a username like that, you get respect right off the top because I just love the oriignal Thomas Paine!

And I'm sure you'll find a wide range of topics here to interest you. If you don't, please feel free to start some new threads!

I think you'll find that there is quite a few of us 'social liberal, fiscal conservatives' at this forum.
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Old May 15th 2009, 07:32 AM
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Hey y'all.

Finishing up my jr. year at college while chasing my economics and finance degrees, I'm a former politics and news junkee who dropped interests in both areas after feeling burned out from the same sorts of stories everyday. A disaster here, a technology there, a market here, an arrest there. Cynicism was an unavoidable result from being spoiled by information overload, but along with it came an implosion in my memory which keeps me from remembering where everything I learned has come from. I was originally planning on going to law or grad school, but my growing hatred for citing sources when writing papers and reading hundreds of them when critiquing what I read has just completely exhausted me.

I've posted on forums like this one for several years now, and I've undergone a drastic shift in positions over the journey. Originally a democratic socialist when I entered high school, I've flipped around between liberal democrat, geolibertarian, anarchist, syndicalist, paleoconservative, neoconservative, anarcho-capitalist, and plenty of other labels that I can't rattle off the tip of my tongue right now since the memories are planted in some random crevice in my brain which I don't care to dig up right now. Regardless, my current position is a mesh of plenty of ideas, and rather than go through an endless list of labels, I'll just call myself an independent to keep it brief.

There is one pet peeve of mine which I feel I should get off my chest though since I'm finding it to be more and more pervasive on online forums - attention deficit ad hominem attacks. I'm not talking about the trolls who just call you names and claim that the reason you can't understand them is because you're just blind, deaf, and dumb. I can handle those guys. What I'm talking about are the "empirical" deconstructivists who pick your proposition apart either line by line or ignore entire sections altogether and have no regard for intuitive, holistic, dynamic perspectives of the world. Yes, there are pseudo-intellectuals out there in the world and tests need to be administered to distinguish the visionaries from the con artists, but reliance upon absurdity to embarrass an opponent via popular appeals, appeals to pity, or appeals to authority completely undermine the ultimate premise of debate which is to discover truths and expose falsehoods. Absurdity's OK when you want to persuade a person that he's going onto a tangent that's distracting from either his own objectives or your shared objectives, but it's pointless to participate on an online debate forum for fun when you have to compete in that forum's internal politics just to be respected.

IRL, humanity and ingenuity are the two principles which garnish my respect and I hold the same benchmark for the net. Cliques are a liability that no online community should be willing to endure (although public teams are fine when official competitions are taking place) since they only subdivide the community's solidarity. I just hope you guys here feel the same way.
Welcome Daktoria!

I think you'll find that ad hominen and attention deficit-challenged posters are mighty few and far between at this forum where we take our debates and discussions a bit more seriously.

As for forum cliques, I understand exactly what you are saying here - I've encountered that problem myself many times at other forums - that's part of the reason that I've set up this forum in the first place. Many of us here are 'refugees' from other larger forums that have turned increasingly toxic and uncivil over the years.

I think you will find that this forum is an oasis of civility and meaningful debate and discussion. Indeed, I've had a quick look at a couple of your posts and they are excellent quality that I look forward to replying!
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Old May 15th 2009, 10:31 AM
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What I'm talking about are the "empirical" deconstructivists who pick your proposition apart either line by line or ignore entire sections altogether and have no regard for intuitive, holistic, dynamic perspectives of the world.
Maybe you don't like it because you're afraid.

(Just kidding. Welcome And, I agree with you. Responding to someone where they've broken two paragraphs you've written into 12 points for response, all of which they seem to miss, is aggravating.)
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