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Old Nov 21st 2011, 07:12 PM
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The military serves a good other than entertainment of rich people.
Heh.

Less convinced than you of that, for sure. Like the blue water navy of Canada?

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That's a notable difference. Subsidies for ballet/opera companies are subsidizing entertainment for the top 10% of the economic strata.
And whose interests are the military protecting?
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Well, the one biggest problem with Bolshoi and ther theaters here is the illegal ticket speculation. And not just theaters, sports events too. And rock concerts. Etc. But with theaters it is especially well-known and infamous.

There is a "ticket mafia" at Bolshoi and elsewhere. They deliberately hold off a certain number of tickets until the sell-out date, and then sell them illegally, for cash, for 3 or 4 or even 5 times the regular amount. Or, if you don't want to do that, you can pay your way in through the back entrance. You meet with a guy before, pay him; he gives you a password. You come to the back entrance when your act is starting, ring the bell, another guy opens the door, you tell him the password, he leads you inside. This is a good thing, in a way, so that most people who want to go see an act can go and see it one way or another. But... it is corruption. Of course, corruption is everywhere here.
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Heh.

Less convinced than you of that, for sure. Like the blue water navy of Canada?
Remember WW2? Canada has a bluewater navy for damn good reasons.

Indeed, I should think the Haitians might disagree with you. According to US Navy reports I read when the earthquake hit, they were most impressed with the speed and facility which which the Canadian navy arrived and was engaged in relief even before US equipment arrived. One Canadian destroyer set itself up as the air-traffic control tower for Haiti's main airport to enable emergency aid to fly in. This was operating 24 hours after the earthquake hit.
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Well, the one biggest problem with Bolshoi and ther theaters here is the illegal ticket speculation. And not just theaters, sports events too. And rock concerts. Etc. But with theaters it is especially well-known and infamous.

There is a "ticket mafia" at Bolshoi and elsewhere. They deliberately hold off a certain number of tickets until the sell-out date, and then sell them illegally, for cash, for 3 or 4 or even 5 times the regular amount. Or, if you don't want to do that, you can pay your way in through the back entrance. You meet with a guy before, pay him; he gives you a password. You come to the back entrance when your act is starting, ring the bell, another guy opens the door, you tell him the password, he leads you inside. This is a good thing, in a way, so that most people who want to go see an act can go and see it one way or another. But... it is corruption. Of course, corruption is everywhere here.
It's the same in the US. I haven't been to a top Broadway show in New York City since 2002, and we paid four times the ticket price to see what we wanted. Supply and demand.
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Old Nov 23rd 2011, 07:27 PM
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It's the same in the US. I haven't been to a top Broadway show in New York City since 2002, and we paid four times the ticket price to see what we wanted. Supply and demand.
Big difference. That's a Broadway show. It is financed entirely by private money and it has a successful market.

That's totally different than Opera and Ballet. There are no scalpers for those tickets.

Ballet and Opera (and symphonies) are always financed by taxpayer subsidies - and they still can't make money even pretending their taxpayer built rent-free building is actually free. Opera and Ballet companies are just a sinkhole for taxpayer subsidies.
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Big difference. That's a Broadway show. It is financed entirely by private money and it has a successful market.

That's totally different than Opera and Ballet. There are no scalpers for those tickets.

Ballet and Opera (and symphonies) are always financed by taxpayer subsidies - and they still can't make money even pretending their taxpayer built rent-free building is actually free. Opera and Ballet companies are just a sinkhole for taxpayer subsidies.
Agreed, I was referring to the scalping process. That doesn't benefit any type of production.
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Agreed, I was referring to the scalping process. That doesn't benefit any type of production.
Scalping is just readjusting an artificial price to the market price. Market oriented capitalists should be overjoyed.
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It's might be difficult for anyone who hasn't been involved in the construction of a private entity business plan to understand, but few investors plop their money down to back a Broadway show unless defined revenue projections by a respected producer offers a desired potential return on their investment. Ticket scalping has nothing to do with those projections or actual production revenue.

As has been stated, there's no financial reality in government or charity sponsored artistic productions at any level due to subsidization. That includes ticket scalping, even in Russia.

In the US, at least in my experience, subsidization of some of 'the arts' extends into the private sector. Corporations have long cut checks for season tickets to community efforts promoting the arts to facilitate political affiliations. For other than opening nights with press coverage where a corporate officer was forced to attend, those tickets were most often distributed to employees. No one could scalp most of that dreck.
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Scalping is just readjusting an artificial price to the market price. Market oriented capitalists should be overjoyed.
I have no problem with ticket scalping. As you have pointed out, it is a rational endeavor that plays to the market.

Just try to go see a Maple Leafs hockey game sometime. They've been pretty much permanently "sold out" going for about 30 years plus, with about 1/2 of all seats going to season ticket holders. And the retail price of tickets starts at about $85 for the cheap seats and hits $225 for the best seats. Leaf season ticket holders leave these tickets in their wills here and pass it down to the next generation.

Standard Saturday night scalper prices are about double the retail price. Sales are brisk. If the Montreal Canadians are in town, the price will hit $1000 a seat if they are even available from the scalpers (usually not). If the Leafs ever make it to the playoffs, I can't imagine what the scalper prices would be!
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