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Old Sep 26th 2013, 10:32 PM
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Do you have any sources to back that up? That's almost unbelievable - unless we are talking about people 'going' to university rather than "graduating".

USA has traditionally always had the highest proportion of the population possessing university degrees at roughly 25% of the population.
It's graduation. Click the link below and go to the chart at the end of the article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11438140
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Do you have any sources to back that up? That's almost unbelievable - unless we are talking about people 'going' to university rather than "graduating".

USA has traditionally always had the highest proportion of the population possessing university degrees at roughly 25% of the population.
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It's graduation. Click the link below and go to the chart at the end of the article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11438140
That chart gives the numbers for the OECD, not for Europe. Big difference.

Other than that, even the numbers for the individual countries seem way too elevated. I suspect there's been a bit of a cock-up in that article (not even the BBC is infallible) and that the figures are for 'tertiary education' rather than 'university'. In some countries and languages the term university is indeed used for all tertiary education regardless of academic level while in others there's a whole range of tertiary education which is neither called university nor is it of the same education level.
It can be really difficult to compare educational systems let alone aggregate them.
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That chart gives the numbers for the OECD, not for Europe. Big difference..
Thank you for pointing that out, but non-European countries are more heavily represented in the bottom half of the chart, than in the top-half.

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Other than that, even the numbers for the individual countries seem way too elevated. I suspect there's been a bit of a cock-up in that article (not even the BBC is infallible) and that the figures are for 'tertiary education' rather than 'university'. In some countries and languages the term university is indeed used for all tertiary education regardless of academic level while in others there's a whole range of tertiary education which is neither called university nor is it of the same education level.
It can be really difficult to compare educational systems let alone aggregate them.
So, you think the source is incorrect.
Would you care to provide any back-up at all as to why you think it's incorrect? Other than the verb 'seem' I mean?
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I find it difficult understanding how formally educated adults (forget the masses) can believe anything is going to change (anywhere) without violent revolution and all that ever changes (sometimes) is the power base. Same human nature, same greed, same wealth concentration, same class distinctions. Utopian desire/demand for equality most often resembles religious gotta have faith in the supernatural.
Well, plenty of things have changed over the years - the number of people getting higher education has rocketed in the last century, for example. That's quite a change. Do you ascribe that example to violence?
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So, you think the source is incorrect.
Would you care to provide any back-up at all as to why you think it's incorrect? Other than the verb 'seem' I mean?
One doesn't have to when expressing an opinion. That's why there were verbs such as 'seem' and 'suspect' in the post. It's when expressing things as facts -which you did- that the claim needs to be substantiated.
Having said that, I'm still researching it.
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One doesn't have to when expressing an opinion. That's why there were verbs such as 'seem' and 'suspect' in the post. It's when expressing things as facts -which you did- that the claim needs to be substantiated.
Having said that, I'm still researching it.
That is not an opinion. That is a belief. Other than that, okay.
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That chart gives the numbers for the OECD, not for Europe. Big difference.

Other than that, even the numbers for the individual countries seem way too elevated. I suspect there's been a bit of a cock-up in that article (not even the BBC is infallible) and that the figures are for 'tertiary education' rather than 'university'. In some countries and languages the term university is indeed used for all tertiary education regardless of academic level while in others there's a whole range of tertiary education which is neither called university nor is it of the same education level.
It can be really difficult to compare educational systems let alone aggregate them.
Agreed. I find it hard to believe that 35% of Canadian youth are actually graduating with university degrees these days. That would represent a roughly 40% increase in the university graduation rate in this country over the last 10-15 years.

Given that (on average) 40% of 1st year university students drop out (or are forced out) by xmas, and that 66% don't ever graduate with a degree, we'd have to be building new universities to handle all these new students.
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That is not an opinion. That is a belief. Other than that, okay.
Beliefs are based on faith. Opinions are based on data but insufficient ones to call it a fact. It's actually simple. There aren't enough universities in any country for this claim to be correct.
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Beliefs are based on faith. Opinions are based on data but insufficient ones to call it a fact. It's actually simple. There aren't enough universities in any country for this claim to be correct.
No, that is not the difference between a belief and an opinion.
Yes, a belief is based on faith, but the thing about an opinion, is that it isn't right or wrong, it's just your opinion. If someone says "In my opinion, yellow is a nice colour." that cannot be wrong, since it's an opinion.
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No, that is not the difference between a belief and an opinion.
On the contrary, it is an excellent description of the difference.

The problem is that most people have a poor grasp of data.

Btw, your example about yellow, is a statement of subjective belief (belief that yellow is a nice color), not an actual opinion (since there is no data to reference). That people speak so casually and incorrectly so often, doesn't make the underlying concepts incorrect.
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