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Old Oct 2nd 2013, 01:16 AM
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On the contrary, it is an excellent description of the difference.

The problem is that most people have a poor grasp of data.

Btw, your example about yellow, is a statement of subjective belief (belief that yellow is a nice color), not an actual opinion (since there is no data to reference). That people speak so casually and incorrectly so often, doesn't make the underlying concepts incorrect.
Well, you can have your definition, I can have mine.
And that last part (which I've put in bold), I completely disagree with - I think people's use is what gives meaning.
But in this case, I believe that the word 'opinion' has always meant what it means in my 'yellow' example, so I don't think it's been changed by people's use. But you can think what you think, and I can think what I think.
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Wow. Looks like we won't have to wait long to find out who is the new American-backed Egyptian dictator.

A view of The Ministry of Truth's boy, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi , who now reportedly receives $5 billion in US aid a year, at Salon.com:


"And let Egypt stand as the most grotesque, boldest-faced display of Washington’s anti-democratic intent to be found anywhere in the region. Here the lines are most clearly drawn. Here the generals within and the meddlers without got the subversion work done in front of our eyes. And here neither Secretary of State Kerry nor National Security Adviser Susan Rice nor President Obama has anything to say as Egyptians surrender all hope of a return to elected government in exchange for a reign of terror worse than those of the dictators who provoked the Tahrir Square protests"-- Patrick Smith


A view of The Ministry of Truth's boy, General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi , who now reportedly receives $5 billion in US aid a year, at Salon.com:


"And let Egypt stand as the most grotesque, boldest-faced display of Washington’s anti-democratic intent to be found anywhere in the region. Here the lines are most clearly drawn. Here the generals within and the meddlers without got the subversion work done in front of our eyes. And here neither Secretary of State Kerry nor National Security Adviser Susan Rice nor President Obama has anything to say as Egyptians surrender all hope of a return to elected government in exchange for a reign of terror worse than those of the dictators who provoked the Tahrir Square protests"-- Patrick Smith


http://www.salon.com/2014/11/21/we_a...riedman_and_jo...
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Old Jan 28th 2015, 06:44 AM
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Egypt continues to imprison liberal opposition:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0L01HQ20150127

The US State Department is concerned about the "lack of democratic processes" in Thailand, but in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, not so much.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0L10LZ20150128
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Egypt continues to imprison liberal opposition:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0L01HQ20150127

The US State Department is concerned about the "lack of democratic processes" in Thailand, but in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, not so much.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0L10LZ20150128
You are not actually expecting our country to be consistent on this issue are you?
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Old Jan 28th 2015, 11:37 AM
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You are not actually expecting our country to be consistent on this issue are you?
Maybe it's because I was taught that the US was a beacon of freedom and justice, and enlisted in the service thinking I was doing something heroic, that I feel betrayed, and can't help pointing out the bloody hypocrisy.
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Maybe it's because I was taught that the US was a beacon of freedom and justice, and enlisted in the service thinking I was doing something heroic, that I feel betrayed, and can't help pointing out the bloody hypocrisy.
I've always been rather surprised that we haven't seen a lot more of exactly this sentiment.
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I've always been rather surprised that we haven't seen a lot more of exactly this sentiment.
Could it possibly be because teachers at school have for quite some time no longer raised their pupils' expectations of the United States as much as they used to?
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Could it possibly be because teachers at school have for quite some time no longer raised their pupils' expectations of the United States as much as they used to?
I doubt it since there is no apparent decrease in the old "USA IS THE BEST" concept that seems to dominate US culture.

Btw, it is the ex-service types that I'm referring to since they are the ones mostly likely to witness the ugliness that the US government/military is often engaged in. And they do push the "USA IS THE BEST" concept pretty hard at all recruits.
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I doubt it since there is no apparent decrease in the old "USA IS THE BEST" concept that seems to dominate US culture.

Btw, it is the ex-service types that I'm referring to since they are the ones mostly likely to witness the ugliness that the US government/military is often engaged in. And they do push the "USA IS THE BEST" concept pretty hard at all recruits.
I actually think the cynical/sad/not jingoistic attitude is pretty common in the Vietnam veteran ilk.
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Old Feb 1st 2015, 08:29 AM
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Reporters mark 400 days in Egyptian prison, and yet the US gave $1.3 billion in military aid and $200 million in economic aid to the al-Sisi regime in 2014.

http://www.aljazeera.com/topics/categories/media.html
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