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Old Nov 26th 2015, 11:27 AM
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Russian immigration officers arrested several dozen Turkish businessmen for visa violations, in the latest in a series of diplomatic and economic measures in retaliation for Tuesday's incident.

The 39 businessmen, who had been attending an agricultural industry conference in the southern Russian region of Krasnodar, were arrested on Thursday afternoon for entering the country without business visas.

“Turkish citizens require a visa to enter the Russian Federation to engage in business activities or for commercial reasons, and the citizens in this case entered Russia for commercial purposes,” Vartan Ter-Saarkyan, the deputy head of the Krasnodar region migration service, told a local television station.

One member of the group said a he was not aware that he required a visa, and said he had told immigration officers when he arrived that he was visiting the trade exhibition.

“We asked which box we should tick and they told us to tick ‘tourist,’” Baris Kalkan, one of the detained travellers, said.

Another of the group said immigration officers had left them in no doubt that the arrests were revenge for destruction of the Russian jet.

“We didn’t know what was happening its was as if we were hostages,” a businessman called Senk Beykara told CNN Turk. He added that he had never experienced any problems before, but that during the arrest he heard one of the officers say “you shot down our plane, so this is what you get.”

The group face a fine of 2,000 to 5,000 rubles (£20 to £50) each and deportation.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ned-plane.html

I am sure, as an Armenian woman, it was particular pleasure for Mrs. Ter-Saarkyan to humiliate some Turks
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Old Nov 26th 2015, 06:25 PM
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That makes sense as a response from Putin. Russia has been bombing Turkmen rebel groups in Syria for some time now, so this isn't a major change and won't create the sort of international crisis attacking Turkey directly would. But it still lets him appease the bloodlust among his own constituency. They want people from Turkey to die, so Putin found some he could kill without creating too much trouble.
Agreed.

Despite the fact that about half of NATO would probably agree to let Russia hammer Turkey, Russia can't hit Turkey directly without invoking NATO Article 5 (which means war with USA).
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Old Nov 27th 2015, 04:16 AM
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Stumbling to War with Russia by Pat Buchanan:

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan...r-with-russia/
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A top Republican Pentagon official describes the military-industrial-congressional complex that General Eisenhower warned us about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOagQ_nfCes
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The Empire strikes again, as it's debts pile up:
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/01/21/u...syria-airbase/
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A top Republican Pentagon official describes the military-industrial-congressional complex that General Eisenhower warned us about.
I have mixed feelings about Eisenhower's farewell address. Yes, it is remarkable and has turned out be quite prescient. But the problem I have is that no man did more to build that same military-industrial complex than Eisenhower.

It is like Eisenhower was warning the public about the monster he created. It is hard to give the guy much credit for doing that.
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I have mixed feelings about Eisenhower's farewell address. Yes, it is remarkable and has turned out be quite prescient. But the problem I have is that no man did more to build that same military-industrial complex than Eisenhower.

It is like Eisenhower was warning the public about the monster he created. It is hard to give the guy much credit for doing that.
Imho Ike was a better-than-average President. He sent Federal troops down South to enforce the SC school integration ruling, which I'm sure that you can appreciate as I do, and his interstate highway system is probably a big positive.

On the other hand, I've read that as US Supreme Commander in WW II that Ike promised Ho Chi Minh that if he fought off the invading Japanese forces that he would help Ho prevent the French colonial government, which had fled to France, from coming back into power after the war.

However, it is said that Eisenhower went back on his word to Ho because he needed the French to help him create his dream-child, NATO. Then, after Ho whipped the French army, American involvement began increasing to fill the colonial vacuum.
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Imho Ike was a better-than-average President. He sent Federal troops down South to enforce the SC school integration ruling, which I'm sure that you can appreciate as I do, and his interstate highway system is probably a big positive.
Yes, I agree that on the whole, Eisenhower was a fairly decent president, though that stands mostly because so many other Republican presidents of the 20th century were disasterous by comparison.

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On the other hand, I've read that as US Supreme Commander in WW II that Ike promised Ho Chi Minh that if he fought off the invading Japanese forces that he would help Ho prevent the French colonial government, which had fled to France, from coming back into power after the war.

However, it is said that Eisenhower went back on his word to Ho because he needed the French to help him create his dream-child, NATO. Then, after Ho whipped the French army, American involvement began increasing to fill the colonial vacuum.
Yes, in many ways Eisenhower is the grandfather of the Vietnam war baby. JFK is the father for sure, and Lyndon B totally owns it.
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How lucky the Syrians are to have US and Russian warriors there to determine which of those countries will be the "leader of the modern world."

https://www.rt.com/news/330019-us-troops-syria-pushkov/
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How lucky the Syrians are to have US and Russian warriors there to determine which of those countries will be the "leader of the modern world."

https://www.rt.com/news/330019-us-troops-syria-pushkov/
As previously noted, Russian military is in Syria 100% legally and entirely at the request of the Syrian government, as a function of a long-standing alliance. Russia is engaged in a "legal and just war" by every legal and international standard.

The same cannot be said for any US military forces operating in Syria - they are operating illegally according to international law, as defined by the UN Charter. US is a rogue nation that routinely ignores international law and/or UN Charter whenever the US feels like doing so.
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