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Old Jun 20th 2015, 04:17 PM
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While I'm inclined to agree with this in principle, I must point out that there was just no fucking way Obama could have increased military operations in Iraq (for this or any other purpose) at any time during his administration even if he wanted to do it. It just wasn't politically possible for him to do that.
Back then the US wasn't strictly necessary. The major European countries could have done it too. The UK could have. The French could have. They did it successfully in Mali after all. In its early days ISIS was little more than a big gang of criminals with no access to armoured vehicles or similar weaponry.

But that was then. Humpty-Dumpty yet again....
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ISIS is different from the Taliban. The Taliban is similar to e.g. Hezbollah. They actually organized society. They did so in a very authoritarian and repressive way but those that adhered to their system had nothing to fear.
Not so with ISIS, they terrorize literally everyone, including their own adherents. They're just scum who are rejected by everyone outside their own circles, including e.g. the Taliban or even Al-Qaeda!

Drones are just cowardly toys. They don't achieve anything other than increasing anti-Western attitudes.
I agree with you entirely about drones, but I'm a little bit skeptical about ISIS.

Enemies are always demonized. For example, when the Taliban is a US enemy it is an incredibly misogynistic and evil group. When it's a US ally it's just a little bit misguided, like Saudi Arabia.

It seems doubtful to me that ISIS is composed of people with completely different mind-sets than the people in al-Nusra, al Qaeda, etc.

When you say that they "terrorize everyone," are they taking a page out of the US playbook regarding "shock and awe," and torture and humiliation at Abu Ghraib?

Again, I don't know whether the ISIS fighters are total demons or not, but if not, the State Department has done an "American exceptionalism" type job of demonizing them.
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Old Jun 25th 2015, 06:28 PM
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I agree with you entirely about drones, but I'm a little bit skeptical about ISIS.

Enemies are always demonized. For example, when the Taliban is a US enemy it is an incredibly misogynistic and evil group. When it's a US ally it's just a little bit misguided, like Saudi Arabia.

It seems doubtful to me that ISIS is composed of people with completely different mind-sets than the people in al-Nusra, al Qaeda, etc.

When you say that they "terrorize everyone," are they taking a page out of the US playbook regarding "shock and awe," and torture and humiliation at Abu Ghraib?

Again, I don't know whether the ISIS fighters are total demons or not, but if not, the State Department has done an "American exceptionalism" type job of demonizing them.
As I've mentioned before, I can't take any pages out of US media or propaganda simply because I'm not exposed to it (and don't regret it one bit). What your State Department says or does is of zero consequence to me.
The atrocities ISIS does are well documented for the simple reason they're so proud of it they record it and publicize it all over the place. Wanna see a video where they behead people by means of an explosives-filled necklace for fun? No problem, it and similar stuff is made available by them.
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As I've mentioned before, I can't take any pages out of US media or propaganda simply because I'm not exposed to it (and don't regret it one bit). What your State Department says or does is of zero consequence to me.
The atrocities ISIS does are well documented for the simple reason they're so proud of it they record it and publicize it all over the place. Wanna see a video where they behead people by means of an explosives-filled necklace for fun? No problem, it and similar stuff is made available by them.
Nah, I'd no sooner want to watch that than watch burning napalmed villagers running out of huts in Vietnam, or Lynndie England pointing a gun at Iraqi prisoners' crotches at Abu Ghraib.
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Old Jun 30th 2015, 10:01 AM
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Here's more on the great ally that US taxpayers send hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...074836427.html

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Here's more on the great ally that US taxpayers send hundreds of millions of dollars in military aid to:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...074836427.html

Egypt's Prosecutor General dead:

http://america.aljazeera.com/article...mb-attack.html
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As I said before, the 'Arab Spring' looks almost exactly like the 'Status Quo'.
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As I said before, the 'Arab Spring' looks almost exactly like the 'Status Quo'.
It (is) the best of times, it is the worst of times... it (is) the Spring of Hope...
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US closes embassy as opposition to Russian and US hegemony continues to spread, it seems.

http://news.antiwar.com/2015/09/04/8...-by-islamists/
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Old Sep 13th 2015, 06:37 AM
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Seems like the State Dept./CIA still can't make up its mind which is worse, ISIS controlling Syria, or a Russia-allied Assad government controlling Syria.

http://news.antiwar.com/2015/09/11/o...ed-to-failure/
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