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Old Sep 4th 2011, 07:51 PM
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Grishino is a "eco-community" in Leningrad oblast. It is one of several such communities in Russia: Kitezh, Novoecoville, Kovcheg (Noah's Ark), Bolshoi Kamen (Big Stone), and Tiberkul.

I suppose a defining characteristic is that families there practice a conservative form of Orthodox Christianity


Except for Big Stone: they are pagans



At least I think so... That is certainly a pagan idol in the last picture.

They also do not use modern technology




Some of those communities everybody is vegetarian, it is law there, you have to be one to join. They live off of what they grow



Others, however, do eat meat and so keep livestock



They live in wooden houses




Unlike most of the rest of Russia, they have a actual, functioning democracy, where decisions are made by voting at meetings
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They are loosely associated with the "Global Ecovillage Network" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Ecovillage_Network), but their philosophies differ on many areas.

For one, as I understand, most Western environmentalists and ecological living advocates are atheists or agnostic. Here, they are as I said devoutly religious. And Western environomentalists advocate people do not have children, because of overpopulation of Earth or whatever. Not here. They are Russian traditionalists and they love their children

In fact their leaders say: "A healthy family is a big step toward a healthy environment"
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I've never heard an environmentalist say 'don't have children'. I've heard some of them say that condoms should be used in overpopulated parts of the world, so that couples don't end up with 10 children they can't afford to feed.

It's not realistic to ask Westerners, or Moscow Russians to live like those people - it is realistic to ask them to use public transport and stop driving big cars, or at least stop boasting about it.
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I've never heard an environmentalist say 'don't have children'. I've heard some of them say that condoms should be used in overpopulated parts of the world, so that couples don't end up with 10 children they can't afford to feed.

It's not realistic to ask Westerners, or Moscow Russians to live like those people - it is realistic to ask them to use public transport and stop driving big cars, or at least stop boasting about it.
Why do you, personally speaking, believe it is not realistic to ask Westerners or Muscovites to live in this way? This is not to bait or troll - I'm deeply interested in this because my own lifestyle is moving toward the examples MMI shows rather than the other way. I want to hear about what mainstream consumers think about this and why it can't be asked of them to live in this manner. The real problem is of course that the choice may not be theirs (or yours) for much longer.
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Why do you, personally speaking, believe it is not realistic to ask Westerners or Muscovites to live in this way? This is not to bait or troll - I'm deeply interested in this because my own lifestyle is moving toward the examples MMI shows rather than the other way. I want to hear about what mainstream consumers think about this and why it can't be asked of them to live in this manner. The real problem is of course that the choice may not be theirs (or yours) for much longer.
You can't even get most people to give up having big cars - some even boast about those big cars.
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Old Sep 7th 2011, 12:52 AM
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Actually, most people who form these 'eco-villages' are former Muscovites and Peterburgers who move to rural areas as they grow tired of city life.
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Old Sep 7th 2011, 12:59 AM
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Actually, most people who form these 'eco-villages' are former Muscovites and Peterburgers who move to rural areas as they grow tired of city life.
Okay, but I'm sure they are only a small minority of the people of those cities.
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Okay, but I'm sure they are only a small minority of the people of those cities.
That is not surprising; most of us know nothing about farming. Please answer these questions:

1) When was this Grishino commune formed?

2) Are they still in existence?

3) What kind of agriculture do they (or did they) practice?

4) Where do they (or did they) buy things and tools they need?

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1) When was this Grishino commune formed?
I don't know.
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2) Are they still in existence?
I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Actually, most people who form these 'eco-villages' are former Muscovites and Peterburgers who move to rural areas as they grow tired of city life.
This is interesting. This parallels Greendruid's situation as he too 'was' a cityslicker in the none too distant past.

Btw, as other's have commented on the quality of your English, I must say your ability to use 'slangish' terminology in calling people "Moscovites and Peterburgers" is a good example of your very high level of English fluency.

Though, now that I think about it, both of those terms probably come from English-language Russian news sites to begin with!
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