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Old Apr 2nd 2015, 01:04 AM
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As I said, I will wait and see how the Vesta does on the home market first, before there can be any discussion of exports.
Big mistake. Exactly that attitude made the American car industry fail so bad they almost were at the risk of disappearing. They built cars specifically for the US market while completely ignoring the requirements of European and Japanese markets. For one thing, American cars were literally too big for European and Japanese roads (most towns and cities in Europe are medieval in origin with a corresponding network of small and twisty roads and in Japan the cities are extremely crowded with similarly small roads).
Since the big debacle they seem to have seen the light and at least consider this in their new lines which is increasing their market share globally. They also improved quality and handling. The 7th generation Corvette is a jewel even in comparison with European and Japanese sports and supercars.

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People here in Russia have almost no trust in domestic auto makers. Supposedly, this one will change everything. I can only hope.
People everywhere have no trust in Russian cars . 'Lada' is proverbial for being rubbish even if that reputation dates back to the 2105 model. Getting rid of that reputation will require more than the Vesta.
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Old Apr 2nd 2015, 01:34 PM
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Big mistake. Exactly that attitude made the American car industry fail so bad they almost were at the risk of disappearing. They built cars specifically for the US market while completely ignoring the requirements of European and Japanese markets. For one thing, American cars were literally too big for European and Japanese roads (most towns and cities in Europe are medieval in origin with a corresponding network of small and twisty roads and in Japan the cities are extremely crowded with similarly small roads).
Since the big debacle they seem to have seen the light and at least consider this in their new lines which is increasing their market share globally. They also improved quality and handling. The 7th generation Corvette is a jewel even in comparison with European and Japanese sports and supercars.


People everywhere have no trust in Russian cars . 'Lada' is proverbial for being rubbish even if that reputation dates back to the 2105 model. Getting rid of that reputation will require more than the Vesta.
The Vesta looks like a good start though
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Old Apr 3rd 2015, 12:16 AM
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There is also, by the way, a new SUV in the works, the Lada X-Ray


Been in design since 2012, now, finally, ready for production


There is also a racing car based on the Vesta

For first time, an actual Russian car will compete against foreign racers

Well, Moskvich used to race

they even built Formula racers once!

But that was a loooooong time ago. Moskvich itself, the factory, no longer exists, shut down years ago, just too obsolete and unprofitable...

But still, you can see enthusiasts get together every year to race their tricked out Moskvichs

That is Russian spirit. Russians love speed.

Hopefully the new Lada will become an iconic Russian racer, like the Moskvich
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Old Apr 4th 2015, 10:38 PM
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There is also a racing car based on the Vesta

For first time, an actual Russian car will compete against foreign racers
It's not the first. There was the Granta in the WTCC. It didn't achieve much though.
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Old Apr 6th 2015, 10:18 AM
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I saw James Baker the other day on Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN make the point that western governments and the USA should make more effort to bring Russia into the fold of western nations. He was even suggesting to bring it into Nato.

In this era of civilizational warfare, animosity by and against Russia doesn't make sense for the west. Russia has more in common with the west than it does with the east and the west should make it easy for it to join them.

Given the right policies I see Russia catching up to the western world and becoming just as rich as any European country. I don't see why they are falling so much behind.
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I saw James Baker the other day on Fareed Zakaria GPS on CNN make the point that western governments and the USA should make more effort to bring Russia into the fold of western nations. He was even suggesting to bring it into Nato.

In this era of civilizational warfare, animosity by and against Russia doesn't make sense for the west. Russia has more in common with the west than it does with the east and the west should make it easy for it to join them.

Given the right policies I see Russia catching up to the western world and becoming just as rich as any European country. I don't see why they are falling so much behind.
Making nice with Russia and China is just not good for the US military-industrial complex and the web of big profits that flow through countless and nameless companies in Maryland-Virginia-Delaware and feed right back into Washington political pockets. US defense-related corporations pretty much own US Congress.

USA accounts for almost 1/2 the arms spending on the planet. You need some actual enemies to justify spending that kind of tax money. Russia serves a profitable purpose for Washington power politics.
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