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Old Dec 10th 2017, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Palven View Post
If Snowden hadnít released the top secret NSA documents, would we be aware of NSA spying on US citizens today? Would we know after 54 years?

Do we really know whether the secret police spy on US citizens now?
I think it has been reasonable to conclude that they do. Snowden merely provided the proof that it is so.

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Maybe it doesn't really matter, but does the US have the kind of government that Washington, Jefferson, and Madison had in mind?
Do you really have to ask?

And not to put too fine a point on it, I don't really like the kind of government that Washington, Jefferson and Madison had in mind. They created a government that institutionalized legal slavery and has lead precisely to the government you have now. I wouldn't blame Trump and the US security state on Washington, Jefferson and Madison, but I don't think those fellows are blameless in a full analysis of the process of how it all came to be.
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