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Old Jan 14th 2016, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
I do. But Al-Queda was not Daesh. They were a terrorist organization, working in cooperation with the then-governing powers of Afghanistan. They weren't a sovereign Caliphate actively and aggressively trying to overthrow all other Muslim regimes in the region. As best I recall, they didn't make a habit of publicly butchering people on TV or burning people alive as a recruitment tool. Nor did they go out of their way to tear down historic artifacts and ruins, certainly not on the scale of ISIS.
I don't see much difference there. And Osama's stated goal was the establishment of a caliphate.

Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
The big one would be the Iran-Iraq War in the '80s.
That wasn't specifically a Sunni vs Shia religious war since the vast majority of the combatants on both sides were Shia. That was (in many ways) just another attempt by the USA to fuck Iran by proxy. US government has an obsession with Iran ever since the Iranians threw out the US puppet dictator of Iran back in 1979. Saddam was totally Washington's boy back then. Indeed, it was at that time that US government supplied Saddam with the chemical weapons that he used against the Iranians and subsequently used against the Kurds.

Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
It's worth noting that "my entire life" all post-dates the '79 revolution in Iran. I think you're right about the peaceful effects of Sunni dominance (well, peaceful from an international standpoint anyway...). But I'd argue that fell apart with the rise of a Shiite theocracy in Iran. The fall of Sunni Iraq just made it worse.
Iran/Persia has always been Shia and has 500 years of historical conflict with the Ottoman Empire (which was Sunni). The conflict between the Ottomans and the Persians was the same as the conflict between the Romans and the Persians - a very typical secular conflict over a shared border and contested trade routes.

Btw, the establishment of a theocracy in Iran didn't change the Sunni-Shia balance in the Middle East. It is the overthrow of Sunni-controlled Iraq that did that. Iraq (politically speaking) moved from the Sunni camp to the Shia camp and that massively destablized the Sunni-Shia balance in the Middle East. Don't forget that Iraq is the most populous country in the Arabic Middle East.
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