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Old Jul 30th 2011, 09:49 PM
Tom Palven Tom Palven is offline
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Default Re: Collapse, by Jared Diamond

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Originally Posted by Americano View Post
You might be overlooking the fact that a majority of any citizenry are followers who require structure and direction to function in a productive manner. Which system short of utopia works best is always the issue generating discussion and controversy.
I have to fall back on Winston Churchill's quote:
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
Even if all people require structure and direction, it doesn't neccesarily follow that these foundations and boundaries must be provided through a coercive pyramidal system with a Decider-in-Chief on top. Imagine there are no countries. Law Professor Butler Shaffer, among others, has done this, and has proposed a horozontally-arranged, non-coercive, stateless system, where, for instance, people could drive through the Americas without harrassment at "borders", which unlike borders in Europe that have have been eliminated, have become increasingly time-consuming and intrusive.
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