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Old Feb 13th 2014, 05:49 PM
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It is simple I am using the scientific method.
I'm pretty knowledgeable (IMHO) about science and I haven't seen as much as a trace of it yet. In fact, you're all over the place with your arguments. Why don't you recapitulate and start with one (1) clear topic or argument ?
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 05:57 PM
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For the record, I know that this issue is a Big Deal in countries that have a strong fundamentalist presence (of all creeds) but I don't think
A) that the answer is as simple as choice vs. no choice.
B) it matters one jot. Rights are rights, period.

Also, I'm wondering whether the obsession of religious fundamentalists with homosexuality is
  1. Choice
  2. Genetically correlated
  3. Innate
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 06:01 PM
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Listen guys seriously. It is a sexual thing before it becomes an attraction thing. It is not true love. Ok. Homosexuality is about fucking.
Now you guys want to make a hollywood kids movie about two men falling in love, Broke Back Mountain Style, so be it. But you are not talking about the subject you are talking about fiction. Something that is not real.

There have been gays throughout history who well get married and then fuck guys. It is a sexual thing. It used to be that you as a man have other men friends. It is called male bonding. You indeed as a man can find another man good looking. You would not feel the urge to fuck or get fucked by him.

But today, with this international gay bullshit, we have these stupid ideas by supposed intellectual, or rather pseudo intellectuals that come up with stuff about what is and isn't gay. Just ask a homosexual where does gayness come from. Don't come to me with this fairytale when Harry Met Billy bullshit.

It just does not make sense.
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 06:03 PM
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For the record, I know that this issue is a Big Deal in countries that have a strong fundamentalist presence (of all creeds) but I don't think
A) that the answer is as simple as choice vs. no choice.
B) it matters one jot. Rights are rights, period.

Also, I'm wondering whether the obsession of religious fundamentalists with homosexuality is
  1. Choice
  2. Genetically correlated
  3. Innate
is there anything religious about the sex experiment I gave so that you start saying this crap. Stop being obstinate. Give counter arguments to what I am saying. If I shut up and say you win, that does not mean you actually made sense.

we are in this forum because we all enjoy debating. Just make a proper counter argument to what I have said.
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 06:40 PM
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Can you describe a sexual experience you have had with a women?
No. Do you have any examples of this alleged 'whitewashing'?
Being a westerner, I think most westerners think to themselves;
"a) I don't choose who I'm attracted to, so probably neither do gay people
b) If they could choose, what possible motive could they have for choosing to be a group that is persecuted so many places all round the world, and by so many people,"
and conclude that they haven't chosen.

But if you have examples of media articles which have hypnotised people, then please post them.
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 06:44 PM
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Listen guys seriously. It is a sexual thing before it becomes an attraction thing. It is not true love. Ok. Homosexuality is about fucking.
Now you guys want to make a hollywood kids movie about two men falling in love, Broke Back Mountain Style, so be it. But you are not talking about the subject you are talking about fiction. Something that is not real.
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And your evidence for this claim that all those people are lying about being attracted to one another is...
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 07:26 PM
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No. Do you have any examples of this alleged 'whitewashing'?
Being a westerner, I think most westerners think to themselves;
"a) I don't choose who I'm attracted to, so probably neither do gay people
b) If they could choose, what possible motive could they have for choosing to be a group that is persecuted so many places all round the world, and by so many people,"
and conclude that they haven't chosen.

But if you have examples of media articles which have hypnotised people, then please post them.
Being a guy who watches TV and reads news, I will tell you that straight up none of you westerners think for yourselves. You are as brainwashes as Muslims. Especially for you to come up with this dumb stuff.

And again, I elaborate to be clear and specific. A homosexual enjoys the gay sex too much. This is why I asked you how do you have sex? What does it come from? What is sex? It is an urge. An overwhelming urge to Penetrate for a straight man. To get penetrated for a women, and Homosexual.
However, the difference for a homosexual is that he was born with the ability to penetrate. At some point he was perverted. It was both psychological and physical.

The same can be said about women who go into porno. At some point they might have had some boyfriend. But they enjoyed the sexual act way too much and forgot about the love act.

Lesbians might be something similar, but I don't know. I will not go Freud's way and venture about how women operate. The urge to get penetrated about women is just biology. This is what is meant when we say that most women are vaginal.

And you see, the reason that you find this line of argument so obnoxious and weird is in of itself proof that you have been brainwashed by media facts that are whitewash.

You think of gays, and it is that colleague next to you who is a bit flamboyant or the one who is very shy. You think this guy is so weak why don't we protect him. I think the same thing, but better. I think why don't we cure him. Why don't we give him a normal life.

The problem with protestant and really a lot of catholic and orthodox methods to deal with homosexuality makes the homosexual hate himself. Well, as I always said on the forum, it is the act that is the sin not the person. Ideally and really the best cure for this stuff is through prayer to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and his Mother the Holy Virgin Mary. The Roman Catholic church can do a lot to help.

But as someone who has for most of his life believed in nothing. And because religion is so hard for modern men to accept. I gave you the scientific solution here: It is a combination of sexual and psychological therapy.

This is really the point here. You use the word attraction. What is attraction. It is something sexual. That says it all. The gay man will find another man attractive, because he wants him to fuck him. When you find a woman attractive it is because you want to fuck her. The sexual desire comes before the actual attraction.

As for love, we should all love one another. It does not mean we have to go into some weird orgy. It means well... If you don't have the Love of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in you. You cannot understand that.

So please go back and argue on merits. This is a sex thing. You are an adult. talk about.
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 07:28 PM
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Being a guy who watches TV and reads news, I will tell you that straight up none of you westerners think for yourselves. You are as brainwashes as Muslims. Especially for you to come up with this dumb stuff.

And again, I elaborate to be clear and specific. A homosexual enjoys the gay sex too much. This is why I asked you how do you have sex? What does it come from? What is sex? It is an urge. An overwhelming urge to Penetrate for a straight man. To get penetrated for a women, and Homosexual.
However, the difference for a homosexual is that he was born with the ability to penetrate. At some point he was perverted. It was both psychological and physical.

The same can be said about women who go into porno. At some point they might have had some boyfriend. But they enjoyed the sexual act way too much and forgot about the love act.

Lesbians might be something similar, but I don't know. I will not go Freud's way and venture about how women operate. The urge to get penetrated about women is just biology. This is what is meant when we say that most women are vaginal.

And you see, the reason that you find this line of argument so obnoxious and weird is in of itself proof that you have been brainwashed by media facts that are whitewash.

You think of gays, and it is that colleague next to you who is a bit flamboyant or the one who is very shy. You think this guy is so weak why don't we protect him. I think the same thing, but better. I think why don't we cure him. Why don't we give him a normal life.

The problem with protestant and really a lot of catholic and orthodox methods to deal with homosexuality makes the homosexual hate himself. Well, as I always said on the forum, it is the act that is the sin not the person. Ideally and really the best cure for this stuff is through prayer to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and his Mother the Holy Virgin Mary. The Roman Catholic church can do a lot to help.

But as someone who has for most of his life believed in nothing. And because religion is so hard for modern men to accept. I gave you the scientific solution here: It is a combination of sexual and psychological therapy.

This is really the point here. You use the word attraction. What is attraction. It is something sexual. That says it all. The gay man will find another man attractive, because he wants him to fuck him. When you find a woman attractive it is because you want to fuck her. The sexual desire comes before the actual attraction.

As for love, we should all love one another. It does not mean we have to go into some weird orgy. It means well... If you don't have the Love of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ in you. You cannot understand that.

So please go back and argue on merits. This is a sex thing. You are an adult. talk about.
So, you can't find a single example. You shouldn't falsely accuse the western media of white washing.
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 08:13 PM
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So, you can't find a single example. You shouldn't falsely accuse the western media of white washing.
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I just gave "you" as an example. Your way of thinking and speaking. I give you an argument. What's your rebuttal? Find an example.
The flaw starts with your question. You have asked the wrong question and framed the issue around it, just so you don't counter argue what I am saying. Go back and make sense man.
What's the point? Again, if I say you win. You won't win anything. We are here to argue. Argue over the sex thing. Why homosexuality is not a sex thing.

BTW:
True gay movies are not so subtle about what is is really about to be gay. You don't get it from Will and Grace. You get it from "six feet under" and "angels in America".
It is a sex thing. They start out being confused. The media tells them, it is ok. You are "Born This Way". I gave you the counter argument for that. Born this way is impossible. How would the sodomite spread the gene. He doesn't like to fuck.
So, why tell him that he is born this way. If he is confused, why not guide him to what is best "for him".
Nick, you always say that you are not gay. I suspect that you are. But if you are not gay. Then you must like women. What is it about them that you like so much? Just give me an answer for that. Is that so difficult for you?

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...And again, I elaborate to be clear and specific. A homosexual enjoys the gay sex too much. This is why I asked you how do you have sex? What does it come from? What is sex? It is an urge. An overwhelming urge to Penetrate for a straight man. To get penetrated for a women, and Homosexual.
However, the difference for a homosexual is that he was born with the ability to penetrate. At some point he was perverted. It was both psychological and physical....
If it's an "overwhelming urge", then it's not a choice.

We don't get to choose our urges.
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