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Old May 15th 2014, 05:10 AM
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Depends who you are. If you are a powerful person, you can, easily. Stalin died back in 1953, and new details and theories about his myriads of lovers are coming out to this day
Oh God, only you manage to turn the conversation round so dramatically.
And lest I forget; And if it wasn't Stalin, but a person with an average position?

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Old May 15th 2014, 12:11 PM
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Oh God, only you manage to turn the conversation round so dramatically.
And lest I forget; And if it wasn't Stalin, but a person with an average position?
Again depends how determined both individuals in the relationship are to hide it, how skilled they are as liars, etc.
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Old May 15th 2014, 01:02 PM
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Again depends how determined both individuals in the relationship are to hide it, how skilled they are as liars, etc.
But for the average person, whether they are gay or straight, it must be very difficult to hide a relationship if they live together, wouldn't you say?
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Old May 15th 2014, 02:22 PM
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But for the average person, whether they are gay or straight, it must be very difficult to hide a relationship if they live together, wouldn't you say?
More often than not, yes. Certainly, when two men here want to rent an apartment together, for example, yes, people look at them with suspicion. I suppose they could use as an excuse being students or migrant workers from another region. But that only works for younger men. What older gays around here do, I cannot imagine, to hide what they are. Most of them just suppress it, I think. I personally have heard of one fellow, in his early 40s, suspected of being a homosexual, who is married, has two children, and otherwise maintains a very heterosexual lifestyle. Cannot help it, he is an OMON officer. Same OMON who stop gay "parades" and any other kinds of street demonstrations

Would be very bad for him if the rumors turned out to be true, and he is a gay, and if he was ever discovered as such... His own friends, fellow OMON men, would probably turn on him...

That is why I say, if you are a gay here, either leave the country, or hide it very well indeed
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Old May 15th 2014, 02:27 PM
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That is why I say, if you are a gay here, either leave the country, or hide it very well indeed
That's why I think what is written where you seem to deem it sufficient for gay people to be as discreet as heterosexuals, isn't correct at all. Don't you agree with me, on reflection?
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We do not even mind those gays that do choose to stay here and live with us, as long as they keep their gayness to themselves, in private, just as we heterosexuals should, and most normal people do, keep our sexual lives in private.
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Old May 16th 2014, 11:57 AM
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That's why I think what is written where you seem to deem it sufficient for gay people to be as discreet as heterosexuals, isn't correct at all. Don't you agree with me, on reflection?
Well, yes, being identified as a gay would be bad for a person here, it can hurt their career, can even make them a target for violence. It is not easy for them here, no. But, if nobody knows you are a gay, you can still live like a normal person, still have a relatively good life.

Anyway, both our societies have their drawback, of course. At least we do not make boys wear skirts: http://rt.com/news/159000-france-sch...irts-equality/

That is the type of thing, type of news about Europe those conservatives here you mentioned grasp on to eagerly and use as an example of how awful it is over there
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Old May 16th 2014, 04:21 PM
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Well, yes, being identified as a gay would be bad for a person here, it can hurt their career, can even make them a target for violence. It is not easy for them here, no. But, if nobody knows you are a gay, you can still live like a normal person, still have a relatively good life.

Anyway, both our societies have their drawback, of course. At least we do not make boys wear skirts: http://rt.com/news/159000-france-sch...irts-equality/

That is the type of thing, type of news about Europe those conservatives here you mentioned grasp on to eagerly and use as an example of how awful it is over there
What if a gay couple live together, and after 10 years the neigbours (not being complete half-wits) realise that they are gay. They go to work, but only tell people whom they really trust not to be bigoted about their being gay. Can tey expect to be left in peace, even though their neighbours aren't half-wits and have understood that they must be gay?
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Old May 16th 2014, 04:38 PM
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And one more thing - Conchita is top of the Russian record charts.
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/...514-zrcso.html
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...At least we do not make boys wear skirts: http://rt.com/news/159000-france-sch...irts-equality/
No one is making anyone wear skirts.

According to the article, it is an idea put forward by a student group themselves. As a symbolic protest, it is obviously voluntary. The purpose of the protest appears to be against the kind of sexism that your Russian conservatives represent.

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That is the type of thing, type of news about Europe those conservatives here you mentioned grasp on to eagerly and use as an example of how awful it is over there
Because they are desperate to take your attention away from how awful it actually is in Russia. Same old game.
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Old May 17th 2014, 04:28 PM
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So, Conchita is top of the Russian charts.
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