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Old Jan 27th 2013, 11:27 AM
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In a western democracy there are checks and balances that make sure that it does not become a tyranny. One very important check is the separation of church and state in the constitution.
Sounds like you need to consider relocating to a democracy that has adopted separation of state and church in its legislative process. That's not a requirement in a majority of democratic countries.
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Old Jan 27th 2013, 11:38 AM
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So yeah westerners, enjoy your contact with the most intolerant religion today. And don't forget to keep up with political correctness. "It is not islam just a minority", until of course the day comes where muslims are not a minority anymore and then well it is sharia law for everyone.
It's not political correctness that allows one to be at ease as far as Muslims are concerned in the European Western world. It's facts, figures, reason and rationality. That claim that Muslims, let alone extremist Muslims, will one day be in the majority is complete nonsense demographically. That was amply demonstrated in the critique of the video you once presented.
Laws are made in parliaments, not in the sensationalist and populist media. And there there has never been a single case of someone proposing any example of Sharia law in Parliament. Who would ? The presence of Muslims in Europe has made no difference in the political repartition whatsoever. They vote along the same lines as the other members of society. There isn't a single party in all of Europe that has Sharia laws in their manifest.
And even if one some day would, it would be immediately struck down by the courts as unconstitutional. And even if by some magic it would happen in one country there's still the European level who is most stringent about human rights. Not a chance of such laws becoming reality.

If anyone has a reason to be scared, its the muslims who live in Europe. The resurgence of the extreme right is very real and is very much represented in politics. Some of these parties have up to 40% of the vote. Some are already exhibiting genocidal ambitions (Jobbik in Hungary).
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Old Jan 27th 2013, 01:26 PM
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Sounds like you need to consider relocating to a democracy that has adopted separation of state and church in its legislative process. That's not a requirement in a majority of democratic countries.
right except that it exists in a majority of western democratic nations.
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Old Jan 27th 2013, 01:27 PM
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It's not political correctness that allows one to be at ease as far as Muslims are concerned in the European Western world. It's facts, figures, reason and rationality. That claim that Muslims, let alone extremist Muslims, will one day be in the majority is complete nonsense demographically. That was amply demonstrated in the critique of the video you once presented.
Laws are made in parliaments, not in the sensationalist and populist media. And there there has never been a single case of someone proposing any example of Sharia law in Parliament. Who would ? The presence of Muslims in Europe has made no difference in the political repartition whatsoever. They vote along the same lines as the other members of society. There isn't a single party in all of Europe that has Sharia laws in their manifest.
And even if one some day would, it would be immediately struck down by the courts as unconstitutional. And even if by some magic it would happen in one country there's still the European level who is most stringent about human rights. Not a chance of such laws becoming reality.

If anyone has a reason to be scared, its the muslims who live in Europe. The resurgence of the extreme right is very real and is very much represented in politics. Some of these parties have up to 40% of the vote. Some are already exhibiting genocidal ambitions (Jobbik in Hungary).
the more you let them into europe and the more they procreate, the more their numbers increase.
eventually it will happen unless there is a reform in islam.
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Old Jan 27th 2013, 04:00 PM
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I must agree with our Lebanese friend here. Dominick, here is the real situation in Europe, since you, my brother, seem to be in denial:

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No-Go Zones for Non-Muslims Multiplying All Over Europe

'No-go' zones are for everyone that is not Muslim are springing up all over Europe at alarming rates. Many neighborhoods in London are now unsafe for non-Muslims to inhabit. These areas have been formed with 'ethnic cleansing' harassment tactics; forcing existing residents out of their homes by Muslim harassment. Not only are these places unsafe to live in, they're hazardous to walk into. Many women have been threatened with violence and even death for not wearing Islamic veils when simply walking in a London neighborhood. Gays have also had death threats shouted at them by Muslim preachers.

Many neighborhoods hang signs that say "You are entering a Sharia controlled zone: Islamic rules enforced." Christian preachers have also been accused of hate crimes for handing out Christian reading in Muslim neighborhoods. Police told these pastors to stop or they would be arrested. Several Islamic groups including Muslims against the Crusade leading the Islamic Emirates Project are openly on a mission to turn several areas of London and the UK into independent Islamic republics ruled by Sharia law.

In France, there are approximately 750 'no-go' zones for French police. In some neighborhoods, Muslim citizens close off streets and sidewalks on their own authority for Friday prayers, which prevents residents who are not Muslim from entering or leaving the area. Some mosques also broadcast preaching and prayers over loudspeakers. Many French citizens have deemed this as 'occupation without tanks or soldiers' but French police have refused to intervene in fear of riots.

In Brussels, Belgium, police patrol areas in two squad cars: the first to patrol and the second to protect the patrol car. Police have been targets for aggression and are afraid to go on regular patrols. They have also been told not to eat or drink in public during Ramadan, in order to not cause a public disturbance and further target themselves.
http://technorati.com/politics/artic...r-non-muslims/

See, I think that is one problem IMHO Your European police seem simply cowardly... Certainly, here in Russia for example, it is the migrants who fear the authorities, not the other way around, and while human rights activists like my dear wife see that as unfortunate, and I agree it is not exactly an ideal situation either, many say that is how it should be and I think it is better than the way it is in your Europe, where police are apparently afraid of Muslim immigrants. Here, the guys in camouflage come and line them up, and you would not hear a peep out of the Tajiks or whomever

Of course, you are not going to do anything against AKs But, yeah, here, they know whose country it is. Know their place, so to speak.

Well, here, of course, the problem is really the other way around. They, the migrants, are ones who face intimidation and violence from the far right


and exploitation by business. You know, just recently, in December, for the first time ever, there was a organized strike action by Tajik street-sweepers

in Eastern District of Moscow. Karomat Sharipov, leader of "Tajik Working Migrants", their first attempt at a labour union, said the 26 street-sweepers working in the 16th Parkovaya street region have not been paid any money for their work in 6 months now (!). The company who employs them says they cannot pay anything at the moment, as their bank accounts are under arrest by the Tax Police (Great excuse, yes? Honest at least lol) Sharipov said the company had a long time to sort out its financial troubles, "three directors have been installed one after the other, and each of them was paid a salary, but not the workers". He also said the company is partially controlled by the Moscow municipal government, and so he is asking the municipal government to pay the workers their earned money, if the company cannot.
http://www.rus-obr.ru/days/21676

I know that Sharipov, by the way. Good man. He and Karina are friends. When he was just starting his labour union, he was threatened so much, by nationalists, by thugs hired by construction and other business which employs (and exploits) Tajik and other such migrants. They tried to kill him several times. First, some guys beat him to near death with baseball bats and rebar rods, he was in hospital for a month. Later, a truck ran his car off the road, he barely survived. the truck would be traced to Mosgorstroi, the local construction monopoly company where Sharipov was trying to rally Tajik and other Central Asian workers to fight for their rights. No consequences would come to the company, as it was owned at the time by the Mayor's wife He'd also been shot twice, including once - by a sniper. Bravest man I've ever known, I dare say. Somebody whose hand I am proud to shake. Our friend Nick would not like him though: he is a hard-line Putin supporter lol has a portrait of the man in his office, with the caption "A MAN OF HIS WORD"



Visiting migrant workers injured on the job, at a Moscow hospital

It is thanks to his campaigning that, since early 2011, when those photos were taken, injured migrant workers were first allowed into hospitals here. Before, they had to go to shady underground clinics, where "doctors" with questionable training and licencing performed equally questionable treatments on them. Good guy, Karomat Sharipov, as I said.

But, I digress. Yes, in Europe, situation is different. There, it seems to me, it is the other way around: the native population are ones being mistreated by rioting mobs of Arab immigrants


You may not think this is a significant threat. But Indians in America did not think of strange white people coming in on sail-ships as a threat at first either.
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Old Jan 27th 2013, 08:40 PM
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Does really no one have any ability of critical assessment left ?
Reality is in tabloids and propaganda.... Jesus Fucking Christ.

Well, if that's Western culture, it's a good thing if it were to disappear.

[Russian] public opinion polls routinely and consistently show that a majority of the [Russian] people believe what the [Russian] media tells them.
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the more you let them into europe and the more they procreate, the more their numbers increase.
eventually it will happen unless there is a reform in islam.
Those fake Stormfront demographics have already been completely and utterly debunked. If you continue to 'believe' them, you're completely irrational.
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Old Jan 27th 2013, 10:10 PM
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the more you let them into europe and the more they procreate, the more their numbers increase.
eventually it will happen unless there is a reform in islam.
That's the exact same claim made by Christians about godless communism. The media trumpeted it to all it and nationalists lapped up their rhetoric.

Reminds me of why the US invaded Vietnam. Many Americans now covet name brand footwear made in Vietnam.
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Those fake Stormfront demographics have already been completely and utterly debunked. If you continue to 'believe' them, you're completely irrational.
That is what Serbs in Kosovo thought too

In fact, here is one example that, I think, is very noteworthy.

Have you ever heard of the Itelmen people? No? Exactly.

Hundreds of years ago, when Russia conquered Siberia, and Slavic, mostly Cossack (soldiers of Ataman Yermak's army which conquered Siberia) settlers started coming in and taking the land, the Itelmen, who lived on the Kamchatka Peninsula, met them without much resistance. they were a kind people, tolerant, as is the term today. The Cossacks were not mean to them either, traded with them and all that, there was much intermarriage. But as more and more Slavic people came in, while the Itelmen population was ravaged by new diseases the Slavs brought with them, their culture was overwhelmed. Their youth forgot their language and history, and married into Slavic families, and became Orthodox Christians, and became, except for their Asian facial features, Slavic people. Today, only a few hundred people in the Kamchatka Peninsula claim Itelmen ancestry, though their population is, indeed, growing, from 1,441 in 1989 to 3,193 today. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itelmens)

and they are slowly rediscovering and rebuilding their culture
That took centuries. That, my friend, is the kind of damage a foreign invasion and colonisation can bring.
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Does really no one have any ability of critical assessment left ?
Reality is in tabloids and propaganda.... Jesus Fucking Christ.

Well, if that's Western culture, it's a good thing if it were to disappear.

[Russian] public opinion polls routinely and consistently show that a majority of the [Russian] people believe what the [Russian] media tells them.
By the way, what, was that photo with the rioters jumping on a police car staged? Is it fake?
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