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Old Jan 15th 2020, 07:02 PM
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Default The 4th Commandment

https://opusdei.org/en-us/article/to...h-commandment/

I really wish people learned this properly.

A lot of people seem to hate Catholicism and conservatism over this. It's the classic youth versus elders problem over family values...

...but the problem is most people don't learn what's really going on.

The idea of honoring your parents only applies if your parents uphold their parental duties.

This goes beyond feeding, clothing, and housing and enforcing good manners.

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4. Duties of parents

Parents have the duty to receive the children God sends them gratefully, as a real blessing and sign of confidence. Besides caring for their material needs, they have the serious responsibility of giving them a solid human and Christian education. The role of parents in forming children is so important that, were it to be lacking, it would be hard to make up for it. [3] The parents' right and duty to educate their children is irreplaceable and inalienable. [4]

Parents have the responsibility of creating a home built on love, pardon, respect, faithfulness and disinterested service. The home is the appropriate place for forming virtues. Parents, through their example and word, should teach their children to live a simple, sincere and joyful life of piety, and transmit to them the fullness of Catholic teaching; they need to encourage them to carry out a generous struggle to live up to the requirements of God's law and of each one's personal vocation to holiness. Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord (Eph 6:4) Parents must not neglect this responsibility, leaving the education of their children to other people or institutions, although they can, and sometimes should, count on the help of those they have confidence in (cf. Catechism 2222-2226).

Parents need to know how to correct because what son is there whom his father does not discipline? (Heb 12:7); they need to always keep in mind the Apostle's advice: Fathers, do not provoke your children, lest they become discouraged (Col 3:21).

a) Parents need to truly respect and love their children's freedom, teaching them to use it well, responsibly. [5] Their own example is fundamental here.

b) In dealing with their children, parents need to combine affection and firmness, vigilance and patience. It is import for them to “make friends" with their children, earning their trust and keeping it.

c) To succeed in the task of bringing up children, the supernatural means should be given priority over the human means, although these too are important and indispensable.

“As those first responsible for the education of their children, parents have the right to choose a school for them which corresponds to their own convictions. This right is fundamental. As far as possible, parents have the duty of choosing the schools that will best help them in their task as Christian educators (cf. Gravissimum educationis, 6). Public authorities have the duty of guaranteeing this parental right and of ensuring the concrete conditions of its exercise" (Catechism 2229).

“Family ties are important but not absolute. Just as the child grows to maturity and human and spiritual autonomy, so his unique vocation which comes from God asserts itself more clearly and forcefully. Parents should respect this call and encourage their children to follow it. They must be convinced that the first vocation of the Christian is to follow Jesus : 'He who loves father and mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me' (Mt 10:37)" (Catechism 2232). [6] The divine vocation of a child to undertake a specific apostolic mission is truly a gift from God to the family. Parents need to respect the mystery of their child's call, even if they do not understand it. Prayer strengthens this respect for freedom and the readiness to accept God's intervention. Thus parents will avoid being overly protective and controlling of their children, a “possessive" way of acting that does not foster their human and spiritual development.
Put plainly, parents are supposed to relate with their kids.

If they don't, you don't have to honor the dishonorable person. You simply honor the honorable position, remembering how the person doesn't do the position honor: https://www.challies.com/articles/th...honor-is-hard/
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Old Jan 24th 2020, 07:24 PM
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c) To succeed in the task of bringing up children, the supernatural means should be given priority over the human means, although these too are important and indispensable.
I think religion is one of the biggest problems on the planet today - particularly American Christians.

If you love religion, Donald Trump's America is what you created. But also India with Hindu fascism and Russia with Orthodox fascism or Israel with Jewish fascism.

I say piss on all religions. The represent nothing but hate and a lust for power. Hardcore religious people seem to love fascism.
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