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Old Nov 7th 2011, 03:22 PM
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Most people assume that plants are life.
And there's no denying that no animals can survive without plants.
But to say that plants are actually life strikes me as rather odd.

If they discovered that there was another planet that was covered in trees, flowers and whatever, I'd be like... big deal... until they'd found the first animal. Once they'd discovered an animal, then I'd truly feel that we aren't alone in this universe, even if it was a mere insect, or mosquito.

Trees wouldn't make me feel that we had company elsewhere in the universe.

What do people think?
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 03:56 PM
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Um... are you serious? Yes plants are life.
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Most people assume that plants are life.
And there's no denying that no animals can survive without plants.
But to say that plants are actually life strikes me as rather odd.

If they discovered that there was another planet that was covered in trees, flowers and whatever, I'd be like... big deal... until they'd found the first animal. Once they'd discovered an animal, then I'd truly feel that we aren't alone in this universe, even if it was a mere insect, or mosquito.

Trees wouldn't make me feel that we had company elsewhere in the universe.

What do people think?
Indeed, I wonder if extraterrestrials might think the same about our planet. Thanks for providing an example.
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 09:27 PM
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 09:31 PM
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Most people assume that plants are life.
And there's no denying that no animals can survive without plants.
But to say that plants are actually life strikes me as rather odd.

If they discovered that there was another planet that was covered in trees, flowers and whatever, I'd be like... big deal... until they'd found the first animal. Once they'd discovered an animal, then I'd truly feel that we aren't alone in this universe, even if it was a mere insect, or mosquito.

Trees wouldn't make me feel that we had company elsewhere in the universe.

What do people think?
If they find a planet with even a single-cell organism alive, that's good enough for me. We are products of same process.
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Why wouldn't plants be life?
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 12:58 PM
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Why wouldn't plants be life?
Because they don't think.
A mosquito isn't very intellectual, but it is more intellectual than an oak tree. An oak tree is totally void of intellect, for all its grandeur.

Rene Descartes said 'Je pense donc je suis' (I think, therefore I am)
It could be argued that an armchair is even though it doesn't think, but at least an ant is descartesianly.
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It could be argued that an armchair is even though it doesn't think, but at least an ant is descartesianly.
Is it? Do ants really think in the self-conscious recognition of "I" sense that Descartes wrote of? Or do they simply react to stimuli in a more complex, but not necessarily more self-conscious, way than trees do?

Put another way, if I build a robot that mimics the behavior of an ant, is it more or less alive than a tree?
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 03:18 PM
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Is it? Do ants really think in the self-conscious recognition of "I" sense that Descartes wrote of? Or do they simply react to stimuli in a more complex, but not necessarily more self-conscious, way than trees do?

Put another way, if I build a robot that mimics the behavior of an ant, is it more or less alive than a tree?
Yes, ants think. They don't get drunk and solve the world's problems, but they do think which twigs need to be lifted to which part of the ant hill.
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 04:13 PM
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Because they don't think.
A mosquito isn't very intellectual, but it is more intellectual than an oak tree. An oak tree is totally void of intellect, for all its grandeur.

Rene Descartes said 'Je pense donc je suis' (I think, therefore I am)
It could be argued that an armchair is even though it doesn't think, but at least an ant is descartesianly.
And you can demonstrate that ants think and plants don't, how, exactly?

Your definition of "life" is fascinating and completely unscientific of course.
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