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Old Jun 23rd 2011, 04:05 AM
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God is Ultimate Basis of Creation
Starting from Energy, up to the form, the entire creation is Maya only, which means wonderful because with respect to God, this creation is unreal by itself, yet it attracts and confuses every soul as if it only exists. The ultimate basis is God. Without God, Energy is unreal and does not exist at all. Without Energy matter and awareness do not exist because matter, awareness, light, heat, etc., are forms of Energy only.


Without matter, form cannot exist and without awareness quality cannot exist. Thus Maya exists at three levels. The highest level is Energy and Energy can be unreal for God only. This Energy-level is called as the Mula Maya.



The second higher level is Maha Maya, which is conversion of existing Energy into matter, awareness and other forms like light, heat etc. This second level of Maha Maya constitutes the super powers (Asta Siddhis). The third level is Maya, by which you can produce a form like pot from mud (Matter) or a feeling from awareness. The soul can cross this Maya and realize the unreality of forms and feelings. A blessed soul by God can control the Maha Maya also and can create matter, awareness (life), light, heat, etc., from the existing Energy. But the blessed devotee can be even a demon and Satan has all these superpowers and controls the Maha Maya. You cannot differentiate Krishna and a demon at this level.

Krishna (also other like human incarnations) created Energy, which is converted into gold (matter) and the matter is converted into a pot. Thus He controlled the three types of Maya. The demon also produced a golden pot but he did not create Energy. From the existing energy only he created gold and pot from gold. Thus the demon controls only Maha Maya and Maya but not Mula Maya. But you cannot differentiate Krishna from the demon on the basis of the creation of golden pot because the creation of Energy by Krishna is invisible. Therefore, miracles indicate power of God but not God. A solar battery producing light indicates the capture of the Solar-Energy but not capture of the Sun.
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Old Jun 23rd 2011, 07:16 AM
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The fourth layer - rarely spoken of - is Oom Pah Pah Mau Mau.
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Old Jun 23rd 2011, 07:17 AM
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I think we've found the origin of your "divine knowledge":

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Krishna (also other like human incarnations) created Energy, which is converted into gold (matter) and the matter is converted into a pot.
You've got an extra letter in there, though. Clearly, it's not "a pot" but rather a whole great mass of pot, the use of which leads to your "divine knowledge". And a severe case of the munchies.....
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Old Jun 23rd 2011, 07:27 AM
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I think we've found the origin of your "divine knowledge":



You've got an extra letter in there, though. Clearly, it's not "a pot" but rather a whole great mass of pot, the use of which leads to your "divine knowledge". And a severe case of the munchies.....



God exists in the same medium as that of the soul for the sake of the soul so that He can preach to the soul and the soul can fully experience and fully serve God with full satisfaction. The soul is present in the human body on this earth and is present in an energetic body in the upper world.
Therefore, God exists only in these two media. One is the human form on this earth and the other is the energetic form in the upper world. The soul also enters the births of plants and stones (Sthavara), but there is no need for God to enter such inert media because neither knowledge nor service with satisfaction is possible in such media of plants and stones.
Therefore, God does not enter the common medium for the sake of plants and stones. For the same reason God does not enter the bodies of animals and birds also, since knowledge is not possible for them.

God may enter the body of an animal like a fish, tortoise etc., just for a very short time to kill some demons or to do some work that is suitable only to such a body.

Such forms are not for giving knowledge and receiving the service of the soul. The soul should accept God in the common medium and get guidance and further get the satisfaction of serving God, whether the soul is on earth or in the upper world.

For this, the soul should first conquer its ego and jealousy towards the common medium. If the soul misses God in the common medium in this earth, it will also miss God in the common medium in the upper world (Ihachet Avedit…Veda).
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Old Jun 23rd 2011, 09:01 AM
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If God is omnipotent and omnipresent, why would he/she/it/they need to enter the body of anything to kill some demons? So inefficient.
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Old Jun 23rd 2011, 12:42 PM
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If God is omnipotent and omnipresent, why would he/she/it/they need to enter the body of anything to kill some demons? So inefficient.
God is not inefficient. He can kill a demon just by His will. But He will not do so. If HE does like that then the entertainment is lost and it all become a bored action. Also if God comes and destroy the demons in some form, then the devotees will see the actions of God and it will result in the happiness of the devotee and a proof to atheists who sees it.
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God is not inefficient. He can kill a demon just by His will. But He will not do so. If HE does like that then the entertainment is lost and it all become a bored action. Also if God comes and destroy the demons in some form, then the devotees will see the actions of God and it will result in the happiness of the devotee and a proof to atheists who sees it.
Interesting how the corporeal, mortal, and limited presume to know the mind of the infinite.
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Interesting how the corporeal, mortal, and limited presume to know the mind of the infinite.
Especially after telling us that God is unknowable.
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