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Old Oct 2nd 2017, 06:55 PM
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Apparently, the Catalans held a referendum on independence today.

The Spanish government sent in the stormtroopers with tear gas to crush heads.

I'm no fan of independence movements, but this action by the Spanish government is beyond stupid.

Apparently, some 90% of Catalans voted in favor.

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So now Spain has a seriously messy situation with no easy solutions and one huge mountain of animosity between the Catalans and the Spanish government. Having Catalonia vote for independence is bad enough for Spain, but Spain just shot themselves in both feet out of spite it seems.
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Fwiw, individualists favor smaller and smaller political units right down to individual sovereignty, every man a king and every woman a queen.
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Apparently, the Catalans held a referendum on independence today.

The Spanish government sent in the stormtroopers with tear gas to crush heads.

I'm no fan of independence movements, but this action by the Spanish government is beyond stupid.

Apparently, some 90% of Catalans voted in favor.

Source

So now Spain has a seriously messy situation with no easy solutions and one huge mountain of animosity between the Catalans and the Spanish government. Having Catalonia vote for independence is bad enough for Spain, but Spain just shot themselves in both feet out of spite it seems.
Yeah, whatever adviser recommended sending in the police should be fired immediately. It was a move that could do nothing other than make everyone who was against independence say "well, at least the regional government is sending in storm troopers."

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Fwiw, individualists favor smaller and smaller political units right down to individual sovereignty, every man a king and every woman a queen.
This particular libertarian vision sounds awful to me.
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This particular libertarian vision sounds awful to me.
I'm in agreement with NS here. We have enough problems with 170+ sovereign states on this planet. The sovereignty of states is one of the biggest problems and one of the biggest sources of problems that we face on this planet. The idea of 6 billion+ sovereigns sounds a billion times worse.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom."--William Pitt the Younger
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/10/04/e...-on-catalonia/
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom."--William Pitt the Younger
http://news.antiwar.com/2017/10/04/e...-on-catalonia/
I beg to differ with Pitt the Younger.

I think that necessity is the plea for just about everything. All that matters in this world is that the rich man's necessity tends to trump everyone else's necessities.
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I beg to differ with Pitt the Younger.

I think that necessity is the plea for just about everything. All that matters in this world is that the rich man's necessity tends to trump everyone else's necessities.
US opposes secession. Will the CIA stick it's nose in there? We'll probably never know.
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