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Old Jun 24th 2016, 07:54 AM
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Somehow it never occurred to me that this would be an issue in designing autonomous cars, but it seems kind of obvious now.

In short: Faced with a situation where someone is certain to be harmed, how should autonomous vehicles decide who gets hurt/killed and who is saved? Should they always prioritize the safety of the driver and passengers? And driver over passengers? Or should there be some "greater good" component wherein the car will attempt to do the best thing for everyone, even if it means sacrificing the people actually in the car? And, in that case, what is the "greater good"?

Basic example: The car must choose between running over a group of pedestrians or intentionally steering into a wall. The former option may harm more people, but the latter harms the people who are actually in (and presumably own) the car.

Whatever the answer, should it be standardized? Should there be a government mandated morality for cars?

Or should owners be able to select from a variety of algorithms based on their personal ethics? And, if so, do they bear any responsibility for the decisions the car then makes?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/te...life.html?_r=0
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Somehow it never occurred to me that this would be an issue in designing autonomous cars, but it seems kind of obvious now.

In short: Faced with a situation where someone is certain to be harmed, how should autonomous vehicles decide who gets hurt/killed and who is saved? Should they always prioritize the safety of the driver and passengers? And driver over passengers? Or should there be some "greater good" component wherein the car will attempt to do the best thing for everyone, even if it means sacrificing the people actually in the car? And, in that case, what is the "greater good"?

Basic example: The car must choose between running over a group of pedestrians or intentionally steering into a wall. The former option may harm more people, but the latter harms the people who are actually in (and presumably own) the car.

Whatever the answer, should it be standardized? Should there be a government mandated morality for cars?

Or should owners be able to select from a variety of algorithms based on their personal ethics? And, if so, do they bear any responsibility for the decisions the car then makes?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/te...life.html?_r=0
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Cars running on Windows. That's all we need now
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Somehow it never occurred to me that this would be an issue in designing autonomous cars, but it seems kind of obvious now.

In short: Faced with a situation where someone is certain to be harmed, how should autonomous vehicles decide who gets hurt/killed and who is saved? Should they always prioritize the safety of the driver and passengers? And driver over passengers? Or should there be some "greater good" component wherein the car will attempt to do the best thing for everyone, even if it means sacrificing the people actually in the car? And, in that case, what is the "greater good"?

Basic example: The car must choose between running over a group of pedestrians or intentionally steering into a wall. The former option may harm more people, but the latter harms the people who are actually in (and presumably own) the car.

Whatever the answer, should it be standardized? Should there be a government mandated morality for cars?

Or should owners be able to select from a variety of algorithms based on their personal ethics? And, if so, do they bear any responsibility for the decisions the car then makes?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/24/te...life.html?_r=0
I've been thinking this issue through and it seems rather esoteric.

Car accidents, like accidents in general, are essentially unpredictable. They usually happen because of mechanical failures, bad weather conditions, drunk drivers, unexpected events, poor decisions and/or freak situations that can combine together in an instant to cause a fatal accident.

The very idea that a computer could accurately predict such events with sufficient time to be able to order a corrective action to avoid it, let alone make some decision about the relative damage outcome from a variety of possible corrective actions in order to choose the least damaging, is rather hard to imagine.

Indeed, in all my years of experience driving, I just can't even imagine the kind of situation mentioned actually happening. It seems like one-in-a-billion type of situation, not a routine consideration for driving a car. That is to say, if a person were actually faced with a situation of colliding with a group of pedestrians or alternatively crashing into a brick wall to avoid the accident, I'd expect the situation to evolve so fast that the driver would be incapable of making such a decision, let alone have sufficient time to steer away from hitting the pedestrians. Accidents by definition are unexpected and happen in an instant.

Or to put it another way, if one has the time and ability to 'choose' whether to run over (or not run over) the pedestrians, then that really isn't an accident is it?

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Indeed. This augments my argument. As the car is racing towards the pedestrians, I can imagine a little spinning hour-glass icon as the computer is busy trying to decide if the tire pressure is correct for the present speed of the car, given the outside temperature, at that moment in time.
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Indeed. This augments my argument. As the car is racing towards the pedestrians, I can imagine a little spinning hour-glass icon as the computer is busy trying to decide if the tire pressure is correct for the present speed of the car, given the outside temperature, at that moment in time.
'Twould give a whole new meaning to the term Blue Screen of Death
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