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Daktoria
Nov 21st 2009, 08:32 PM
The number one thing that bothers me about the below article is it's defensive stance on tax cuts as an encouraging incentive for growth. Cuts aren't an incentive, but rather a reduction of disincentive, and this defensive stance by supply side economists is costing them more and more clout in Washington by excusing moderate positions to waiver farther and farther to the totalitarian and redistributive left.

Only when free market advocates fully appreciate the relationship between culture and institutions will the government be reduced, but if tradition continues to be used to charismatically garnish attention instead of preventing aggressive realpolitik, it won't matter what sort of regulation is put in place because dishonest and wise guy bureaucrats will continue to infest the very institutions authorized to administer the rule of law.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/017/248oumdt.asp?pg=1

Obamanomics 101
No cheers for capitalism.
by Fred Barnes
11/30/2009, Volume 015, Issue 11

Back in February, President Obama met with a group of CEOs in the White House, seeking their support for his economic stimulus package. One of his chief targets was Jim Owens, the head of Caterpillar in Peoria, Illinois. The day after the session in Washington, the president flew to Peoria to speak at the Caterpillar factory and took Owens and newly elected Republican representative Aaron Schock, the youngest member of Congress at 28, with him.

Aboard Air Force One, Obama chatted amiably with Owens and Schock. Owens showed Obama two pages of a PowerPoint presentation. The first gave the details of China's stimulus, devoted mostly to infrastructure. The second was Obama's stimulus (drafted by congressional Democrats), with far less money going to building and repairing roads, bridges, and other projects. That was the problem, Owens told Obama: too little for infrastructure and thus too little to engage companies like Caterpillar, which had just furloughed 20,000 workers.

When Obama delivered his speech in Peoria, he either hadn't understood what Owens told him or simply refused to accept it. The stimulus package, he said, would be "a major step forward on our path to economic recovery. And I'm not the only one who thinks so." Owens, the president said, had told him that "if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off."

This was not only untrue, but proved to be embarrassing for Obama. After the speech, Owens talked to reporters at the foot of the podium. No, he wouldn't be bringing back any workers. (Later, Caterpillar announced that 2,500 of the layoffs would be permanent.) Owens and Schock flew back to Washington on Air Force One. This time, Obama ignored them. There was a chill. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs and adviser David Axelrod walked past Owens and Schock repeatedly to speak to the press pool in the rear of the plane. They didn't stop to chat either.

I bring up Obama's Peoria adventure because it bears on the Jobs Summit for which he has summoned business leaders to the White House on December 3. In February, the president and Owens were not on the same wavelength. That's likely to be the case with Obama and the business community at the summit as well--unless Obama has changed his economic tune significantly. There's no reason to believe he has. Nor have congressional Democrats.

Obama has his own theory of our current economic situation. His "first job," he told Chuck Todd of NBC News, was to stave off another "Great Depression," save government jobs (police, firefighters, teachers), and "make sure certain sectors of the economy were supported," such as "construction and infrastructure." "We've gotten that job done," he said.

"Our next job is to make sure we can accelerate the job growth," he said. "   So what we're seeing now is businesses are starting to invest again, they are starting to be profitable again, but they haven't started hiring again."

What's the matter with these business guys? The suggestion here is they ought to be hiring. But they're "sitting on the sidelines," the president told Major Garrett of Fox News. He regards them as not-very-conscientious objectors, avoiding the struggle to revive the economy and put people back to work. They're not doing their part, their duty.

Stronger words from Obama may follow. During the Depression, President Roosevelt demonized business and the wealthy ("economic royalists") and raised their taxes. When they declined to invest and stir economic growth, he accused them of staging a "capital strike." The Obama equivalent, if it comes to that, would be a "hiring strike."

We haven't gotten there yet. But Obama has made clear in his 10-month presidency that he has minimal respect for business or the profit motive. Ambitious, talented young people should work for nonprofits. Last summer, he criticized doctors who gouged by insisting on expensive tonsillectomies to cure simple sore throats. They reflected a "business mentality," he said.

And what the president doesn't understand--or, to be more charitable, refuses to acknowledge--about free markets, the economy, and competition could fill a book, or at least an Obama speech. The economic growth he sees was produced, in part, by cash-for-clunkers and the first-time homebuyers tax credit. It foreshadowed an unusually weak recovery. And the profits came largely from cost-cutting, not a flood of new revenue.

Obama told Garrett that spending cuts or tax increases would jeopardize the recovery. But what do businesses, small and large, see staring them in the face? Tax increases--President Obama's tax increases. He backs an increase in tax rates on income, dividends, and capital gains that will go into effect in 2011. Obama-care, should it pass, is loaded with tax hikes. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wants a Value Added Tax.

The president is looking at "tax provisions" to spur hiring, but he's done that before. Last winter, he spoke fondly of a two-year tax credit to boost small business hiring, but congressional Democrats declined to put it in the stimulus. Instead, they produced a measure that bailed out profligate state and local governments and rewarded liberal interest groups.

That stimulus has failed to stimulate, and the administration's claims of jobs it has supposedly created or saved have been discredited and become a national scandal. Obama's excuse: Calculating a jobs number is an "inexact science."

Small, targeted tax cuts like the one aimed at small business won't do much for hiring. "This is an anti-risk-taking climate," says Republican representative Paul Ryan. "You have to give them [businesses and investors] incentives to lower the price of risk." Ryan recommends cutting the business income tax to 25 percent from 35 percent, eliminating the tax on capital gains for two years, and providing a 100 percent tax writeoff for equipment, plant construction, and other expenses the first year. Hiring would follow.

Presidents from Calvin Coolidge to John Kennedy to Ronald Reagan to George Bush understood that strong incentives are necessary to trigger rapid growth and hiring. Strong incentives, plus more investment in infrastructure, would no doubt have won the endorsement of Jim Owens of Caterpillar. He didn't get them from Obama, and my guess is he never will.

Fred Barnes is executive editor of THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

Michael
Nov 22nd 2009, 10:14 AM
1. Fred Barnes is probably the most dishonest and stupidest of all the rightwing pundit-columnists. His track record is nothing but lies, mendacity and being chief cheerleader for President GW Bush.

2. I agree completely about the absurdity of 'supply-side' economic theory. Tax cuts are merely reductions in existing tax disincentives. There is no evidence of it actually ever working, despite the repeated attempts of applying it. However 'supply-side' economic theory is a major platform of both 'conservatives' in general and the Republican party in particular, so Barnes is just pandering to the conservative base here (nothing unusual in that!). Indeed, it seems like this is what most of the media believes is its proper function (fluffing for the political party of their choice, by whatever means necessary).

3. Barnes' argument here is mendacious. It was Republicans in Congress that demanded most of the infrastructure spending in the Stimulus package be slashed/eliminated that Barnes is pretending is Obama's policy. It is not Obama policy that reduced the proposed infrastructure investments but Republican party policy that forced it. Indeed, Obama doesn't get to write or vote on legislation - he only gets what Congress chooses to give him - and Republicans slashed most of the infrastructure spending proposals. According to Barnes, this was all Obama's plan. :ummm:

4. The last paragraph is utterly laughable since Reagan passed what was at the time the largest tax increase in US history and both Reagan and GW Bush both engaged in (what was at the time) the fastest increase in the rate of growth of government spending in all of US history. Reagan and Bush were defacto, record-deficit-spending liberals. All the rightwing lies and fantasies endlessly repeated can't really change this historical fact (but Barnes is going to try anyway because he believes his own lies).

5. Of all the political media organizations in the USA, the Weekly Standard is second only to "Worldnetdaily" for being ground zero for the wingnut rightwing set. Zero credibility here. They preach only to the converted. No one else apparently can stomach the drivel.

Lily
Nov 23rd 2009, 06:06 AM
4. The last paragraph is utterly laughable since Reagan passed what was at the time the largest tax increase in US history and both Reagan and GW Bush both engaged in (what was at the time) the fastest increase in the rate of growth of government spending in all of US history. Reagan and Bush were defacto, record-deficit-spending liberals. All the rightwing lies and fantasies endlessly repeated can't really change this historical fact (but Barnes is going to try anyway because he believes his own lies).


Barnes isn't the only one whose tax cut mantra is never-ending; ask most Republican voters how best to turn around this economy and you'll get one answer: reduce spending and cut taxes. That doesn't make sense even to type. If you ask these same people how best to improve their own economic health, the answer would be to stop spending beyond their means and increase their income. So... :shrug:

Americano
Nov 23rd 2009, 11:45 AM
Barnes isn't the only one whose tax cut mantra is never-ending; ask most Republican voters how best to turn around this economy and you'll get one answer: reduce spending and cut taxes. That doesn't make sense even to type. If you ask these same people how best to improve their own economic health, the answer would be to stop spending beyond their means and increase their income. So... :shrug:

Those 'solutions' are standard conservative responses to discussions of the US economy on most all public forums. Almost as boring and mythical as Christian testimonials.

Michael
Nov 23rd 2009, 12:08 PM
Those 'solutions' are standard conservative responses to discussions of the US economy on most all public forums. Almost as boring and mythical as Christian testimonials.

Yes, quite tiresome and repetitive. My father who was a typical rightwing conservative used to make the same rant - especially about cutting 'red tape'.

I used to ask, if we are going to cut all the red tape, shall we start with the SEC or the Federal Reserve?

That always shut him up since he was a big investor in the markets and this particular set of government red tape benefits him personally.

He just wanted other red tape cut (the kind that he doesn't personally and directly benefit from).

Likewise when he demanded cuts in government spending, I always asked if we should eliminate the fire department, the cops or the roads?

After a few dozen conversations like this, is it any wonder I have so little respect for conservative ideology?

Non Sequitur
Nov 23rd 2009, 12:48 PM
After a few dozen conversations like this, is it any wonder I have so little respect for conservative ideology?

sounds like you haven't had a discussion with an actual thinking conservative.

Non Sequitur
Nov 23rd 2009, 12:49 PM
Those 'solutions' are standard conservative responses to discussions of the US economy on most all public forums. Almost as boring and mythical as Christian testimonials.


Funny, I think the two are nothing alike...

Americano
Nov 23rd 2009, 01:26 PM
Funny, I think the two are nothing alike...

Both are based entirely on faith in mythology advocated by believers.

Non Sequitur
Nov 23rd 2009, 03:21 PM
Both are based entirely on faith in mythology advocated by believers.

People who give testimonials aren't really trying to advocate anything other than a thankfulness to God. Plus, their testimonials aren't based on faith, but a real experience (to them at least).

But I'll end this here because I don't want to derail the thread.

Michael
Nov 23rd 2009, 03:26 PM
sounds like you haven't had a discussion with an actual thinking conservative.
One or two over the years certainly, but they indeed are a rare species. As soon as we get into the size of government or government subsidies, their heads explode and they talk nonsense.

It seems as if the idiot-conservatives outnumber the thoughtful ones at least 10:1.

And one can't even find a respectable conservative commentator in US media - ever since William F. Buckley Jr. died, there is none that is above the teabagger nonsense.

George Will is sometimes asserted as a thoughtful conservative but he's a teabagger through and through who prefers lies to facts when it suits his ideology (just like most of the conservative set).

Non Sequitur
Nov 23rd 2009, 03:39 PM
It seems as if the idiot-conservatives outnumber the thoughtful ones at least 10:1.

agreed

And one can't even find a respectable conservative commentator in US media - ever since William F. Buckley Jr. died, there is none that is above the teabagger nonsense.

George Will is sometimes asserted as a thoughtful conservative but he's a teabagger through and through who prefers lies to facts when it suits his ideology (just like most of the conservative set).

I try not to listen to commentators of any sort.

Americano
Nov 23rd 2009, 08:40 PM
Interestingly enough our local uber-conservative newspaper just dropped the syndicated columns of both George Will and Ann Coulter. It was obviously economics driven as their classified ads are about 25% of what they were before the crash and display ads have taken the same dive but I never bothered to read their rhetoric and was still surprised to see them dropped.

Michael
Nov 23rd 2009, 08:49 PM
agreed
I've certainly offered Edmund Burke as an example of conservative intellectual approach that is entirely respectable.

I disagree with Burke, but then, I'm not a conservative. I can however respect someone holding to that line of thinking since it is rational and coherent (and conservative).

There are other conservative intellectuals out there - but none of the present day conservatives seem to be interested in any of them - preferring instead some weirdo fantasyland where Reagan cut taxes and defeated the Soviet Union and all was great with the world (which are all just myths).

I try not to listen to commentators of any sort.
Yes, well, I'm a political junky - I read lots of them from all over the place just to keep tabs on what propaganda points they are pumping into the public airwaves.

Non Sequitur
Nov 23rd 2009, 09:35 PM
I've certainly offered Edmund Burke as an example of conservative intellectual approach that is entirely respectable.

I disagree with Burke, but then, I'm not a conservative. I can however respect someone holding to that line of thinking since it is rational and coherent (and conservative).

There are other conservative intellectuals out there - but none of the present day conservatives seem to be interested in any of them - preferring instead some weirdo fantasyland where Reagan cut taxes and defeated the Soviet Union and all was great with the world (which are all just myths).


Burke is wonderful. In addition to Burke, I am a big fan of Russel Kirk. If we want to go back pretty far, Alexis de Tocqueville fits the mold pretty well.

Yes, well, I'm a political junky - I read lots of them from all over the place just to keep tabs on what propaganda points they are pumping into the public airwaves.

Propaganda is a good word for it.

dilettante
Nov 23rd 2009, 09:45 PM
Burke is wonderful. In addition to Burke, I am a big fan of Russel Kirk. If we want to go back pretty far, Alexis de Tocqueville fits the mold pretty well.


:) I worked on Tocqueville's Democracy in America when I was trying to learn to translate French; it's good stuff.

Personally, I'm not sure that aristocracy offers quite so many benefits, but I'd appreciate having a perspective like that around to comment on debates.

Non Sequitur
Nov 24th 2009, 12:43 AM
:) I worked on Tocqueville's Democracy in America when I was trying to learn to translate French; it's good stuff.

Personally, I'm not sure that aristocracy offers quite so many benefits, but I'd appreciate having a perspective like that around to comment on debates.

"What good is it to me after all, if there is an authority always busy to see to the tranquil enjoyment of my pleasures and going ahead to brush all dangers away from my path without giving me even the trouble to think about it if that authority, which protects me from the smallest thorns on my journey, is also the absolute master of my liberty and of my life? If it monopolizes all activity and life to such an extent that all around life must languish when it languishes, sleep when it sleeps, and perish if it dies?"

That quote is right out of Democracy in America (although i forget the page) and it sums up a lot of conservatism to this day. What I find most amazing is how much of his analysis is still true today.