Defunding ACORN has unexpected backlash

[Lily]

Whoops! It seems that the Republican sponsored bill to defund ACORN for fraud is written so broadly that a whole lot of others may be caught up in the net, companies such as Halliburton, Blackwater and Boeing.

In addition, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) has asked the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) to compile a list and is asking regular folks to submit names of companies they may think meet the criteria for fraud under this bill.

Here's the Huffington Post article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/whoops-anti-acorn-bill-ro_n_294949.html

[Michael]

This seems very interesting... but no one but Huffington is reporting this which seems odd.

Though, the mass media invoking the 'cone of silence' when the MIC is involved isn't unusual. "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" seems to be the mass media's operative policy with respect to the MIC and US government contracting.

Let us hope this is real... could turnout wonderful. Slapping Acorn down for a couple of million is a small price to pay if Lockheed and Haliburton get embarrassed and loose a few billion in contracts.

Double bonus points if the Republicans have to push for a new bill to exempt their politically favored contractors with long a history of corruption and fraud.

[Donkey]

Oh lordy that is just TOO good.

I have little doubt that the MIC sycophants in Washington will actually allow this to happen, but I'm excited to see them scramble to solve their problems.

[Lasher]

Whoops! It seems that the Republican sponsored bill to defund ACORN for fraud is written so broadly that a whole lot of others may be caught up in the net, companies such as Halliburton, Blackwater and Boeing.

In addition, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.) has asked the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) to compile a list and is asking regular folks to submit names of companies they may think meet the criteria for fraud under this bill.

Here's the Huffington Post article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/22/whoops-anti-acorn-bill-ro_n_294949.html
Re: ACORN grant money - Lasher has often wondered how those people who ride around town in brand-new luxury cars, flaunt those gold chains, gold teeth, spinner rims, hair-weaves, etc. without any visible means of support, manage to live it up in that fashion. It suddenly came to Lash that there being ACORN chapters in so many major cities, that could possibly be the reason so many otherwise indolent loser-types seem to have so much disposable income. N'est ce-pas?

[Baron Von Esslingen]

Given that ACORN isn't handing out money, I'm wondering where you got that idea from. Speculate much?

[Lasher]

Let us hope this is real... could turnout wonderful. Slapping Acorn down for a couple of million is a small price to pay if Lockheed and Haliburton get embarrassed and loose a few billion in contracts.

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Who would build the airplanes, tanks, ships, and the civil engineering projects if the existing companies are run out of business? If you have empirical proof, or even evidence, of wrongdoing, you need to relay it to the FBI or whichever government agency is appropriate, for prosecution, but you should be aware that the legions of leftist loons who disseminate most of the information to us are not the most veracious of people. Lasher likes to know the facts.

[Lasher]

Given that ACORN isn't handing out money, I'm wondering where you got that idea from. Speculate much?
Then what do they need eight billion dollars from the government (taxpayers) for?

[Donkey]

Then what do they need eight billion dollars from the government (taxpayers) for?
You realize that community organizations don't operate without expense right?

Everything needs funding, that doesn't mean that they hand out cash to people.

[Americano]

Then what do they need eight billion dollars from the government (taxpayers) for?

To assist educating a general public that needs to be watered every third day in basic civic functions I learned in high school?

[Lasher]

You realize that community organizations don't operate without expense right?

Everything needs funding, that doesn't mean that they hand out cash to people.
Your posts explain why you are a liberal, my friend. You have no idea whatsoever how these crooked organizations are run. ACORN doesn't have to divulge, even to the taxpayers, where their funds are disbursed to. ACORN is just another of the Marxist-led, redistribution-of-wealth, communist, socialist, organizations that Obama has been involved with for all his adult life. You are either grossly ignorant of the facts of life, or you are willfully misrepresenting the truth.

[Greendruid]

Your posts explain why you are a liberal, my friend. You have no idea whatsoever how these crooked organizations are run. ACORN doesn't have to divulge, even to the taxpayers, where their funds are disbursed to. ACORN is just another of the Marxist-led, redistribution-of-wealth, communist, socialist, organizations that Obama has been involved with for all his adult life. You are either grossly ignorant of the facts of life, or you are willfully misrepresenting the truth.

Which one is it? Marxist, communist or socialist? Do you even know the difference? Using them in this manner suggests that you don't nor do you intend to bother finding out. Would that make you a conservative, McCarthyist, republican?

[Donkey]

Your posts explain why you are a liberal, my friend. You have no idea whatsoever how these crooked organizations are run. ACORN doesn't have to divulge, even to the taxpayers, where their funds are disbursed to. ACORN is just another of the Marxist-led, redistribution-of-wealth, communist, socialist, organizations that Obama has been involved with for all his adult life. You are either grossly ignorant of the facts of life, or you are willfully misrepresenting the truth.
Well, I don't know how crooked organizations are run, no. But I am familiar with how community organizations often work, and what their expenses are.

Say what you will, none of the accusations against ACORN include them handing out chunks of cash to people. You can either back up that allegation immediately or retract it.

Obviously ACORN has its issues, but you are apparently ignorant of what community organizations do.

[Lasher]

Well, I don't know how crooked organizations are run, no. But I am familiar with how community organizations often work, and what their expenses are.

Say what you will, none of the accusations against ACORN include them handing out chunks of cash to people. You can either back up that allegation immediately or retract it.

Obviously ACORN has its issues, but you are apparently ignorant of what community organizations do.
One can attach any name he wishes onto a criminal, unpatriotic, venal, duplicitous organization like ACORN, but the truth about them will eventually come out, my friend. It has been apparent to Lasher, if not many others, since He first heard of Obama's ties to ACORN, that both of them are sinister entities and enemies of freedom that are trying with all the power of George Soros' money to destroy the traditional American way of life. It is apparent to a lot of people now what "community organizations" do. Part of their duties seems to be assisting pimps and their under-age prostitutes from Latin America to attain tax money from the now-corrupt government for the purpose of setting up brothels in New York and other large cities around America. Your gang is losing, my friend, and your dream of a Marxist America is fading.

[Lily]

One can attach any name he wishes onto a criminal, unpatriotic, venal, duplicitous organization like ACORN, but the truth about them will eventually come out, my friend. It has been apparent to Lasher, if not many others, since He first heard of Obama's ties to ACORN, that both of them are sinister entities and enemies of freedom that are trying with all the power of George Soros' money to destroy the traditional American way of life. It is apparent to a lot of people now what "community organizations" do. Part of their duties seems to be assisting pimps and their under-age prostitutes from Latin America to attain tax money from the now-corrupt government for the purpose of setting up brothels in New York and other large cities around America. Your gang is losing, my friend, and your dream of a Marxist America is fading.

You're referring to yourself in the third person? Oookay.

As to the rest of your rant, well, I'll let Donkey handle it since you quoted him and his "dream of a Marxist America...."

[Michael]

As to the rest of your rant, well, I'll let Donkey handle it since you quoted him and his "dream of a Marxist America...."

Indeed. Sounds like fun sport! :cool:

[Donkey]

One can attach any name he wishes onto a criminal, unpatriotic, venal, duplicitous organization like ACORN, but the truth about them will eventually come out, my friend. It has been apparent to Lasher, if not many others, since He first heard of Obama's ties to ACORN, that both of them are sinister entities and enemies of freedom that are trying with all the power of George Soros' money to destroy the traditional American way of life. It is apparent to a lot of people now what "community organizations" do. Part of their duties seems to be assisting pimps and their under-age prostitutes from Latin America to attain tax money from the now-corrupt government for the purpose of setting up brothels in New York and other large cities around America. Your gang is losing, my friend, and your dream of a Marxist America is fading.I'm confused... is it George Soros's money you're worried about ACORN spending, or federal money?

Marxism, as anyone who has studie political theory for more than three minutes (or who has any reasoning skills whatsoever), has nothing to do with prostitution. Nonetheless I'm awfully curious as to what your rationale for connecting them will be. :)

Apparently the game that we are playing is that ACORN is corrupt and therefore we can make whatever accusations about them that we want, and the "truth" will eventually come out. That's not good enough for me, sir, so I'd like for you to demonstrate how ACORN had a systemic problem of handing out piles of cash to people in their communities.

[Lasher]

You're referring to yourself in the third person? Oookay.

As to the rest of your rant, well, I'll let Donkey handle it since you quoted him and his "dream of a Marxist America...."
Wow, Lily, nothing gets by you, does it?

[Lasher]

I'm confused... is it George Soros's money you're worried about ACORN spending, or federal money?

Marxism, as anyone who has studie political theory for more than three minutes (or who has any reasoning skills whatsoever), has nothing to do with prostitution. Nonetheless I'm awfully curious as to what your rationale for connecting them will be. :)

Apparently the game that we are playing is that ACORN is corrupt and therefore we can make whatever accusations about them that we want, and the "truth" will eventually come out. That's not good enough for me, sir, so I'd like for you to demonstrate how ACORN had a systemic problem of handing out piles of cash to people in their communities.
Okay, Dunkey, Lash will attempt to enlighten you, since you seem to have quite a lack of real life experience. Lash is concerned when both Soros' money AND our taxes are used to establish a fundamentally different form of government in place of the one Lash has been comforted by for time out of mind. God save America from such a discredited, tyrannical, outdated system of government as the one you, Obama, Soros, and all the rest of the left want to impose on a people who have no desire to be slaves of the socialist/communist state.

Prostitution is just a small part of the problem, but 13 to 15 year-old foreign prostitutes is outlandish, even if financed by such a great organization as ACORN - financed by American taxpayer's dollars, that is. If you are unable or unwilling to see through the phony facade of ACORN and its agenda of redistribution of the wealth, which is a prime goal of socialists everywhere, then you have no reasoning skills yourself, my friend.

Instead of allowing yourself to be dragged under by the forces of collectivism, do yourself a favor and read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged."

[Donkey]

Okay, Dunkey, Lash will attempt to enlighten you, since you seem to have quite a lack of real life experience. Lash is concerned when both Soros' money AND our taxes are used to establish a fundamentally different form of government in place of the one Lash has been comforted by for time out of mind. God save America from such a discredited, tyrannical, outdated system of government as the one you, Obama, Soros, and all the rest of the left want to impose on a people who have no desire to be slaves of the socialist/communist state.

Prostitution is just a small part of the problem, but 13 to 15 year-old foreign prostitutes is outlandish, even if financed by such a great organization as ACORN - financed by American taxpayer's dollars, that is. If you are unable or unwilling to see through the phony facade of ACORN and its agenda of redistribution of the wealth, which is a prime goal of socialists everywhere, then you have no reasoning skills yourself, my friend.

Instead of allowing yourself to be dragged under by the forces of collectivism, do yourself a favor and read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged."
Do you even know what ACORN does?

[The Drunk Guy]

Do you even know what ACORN does?
Yeah, sure...it pays pimps to import 13-year-old Honduran girls that charge rich guys waaaay too much, therefore redistributing wealth! ACORN IS AWESOME.

[Lasher]

Do you even know what ACORN does?
Of course, they council pimps on how to avoid paying taxes, for one thing, and how to obtain federal funds to set their whore houses up in business for another, but their main purpose is taking from the productive class via the power of the federal government and giving it to the crooks and cheaters in American society. n'est ce-pas?

[The Drunk Guy]

Of course, they council pimps on how to avoid paying taxes, for one thing, and how to obtain federal funds to set their whore houses up in business for another, but their main purpose is taking from the productive class via the power of the federal government and giving it to the crooks and cheaters in American society. n'est ce-pas?
This may shit on your "objectivism," but I don't give a fuck.

This type of power play by people, like the pimp and whore from the film, is exactly what Ayn Rand preached. Whatever it takes to do what you love (and therefore what you're doing well) is the only thing that matters. To ignore your own personal skills and desires for the betterment of others (ie taxpayers) is a cardinal sin in the church of objectivism. Sure, it would be optimum that these "crooks" make their way to the top without maneuvering through the tax laws (which is the only advice that was given at ACORN), but tax laws are designed to hinder people of this career field.

So, you have a decision to make: either you oppose the illegalization and taxation of ANY career choices or you stand behind your argument that ACORN giving a leg up to hard working individuals is a "Marxist, socialist, and communist" idea. Your choice. Either way, make sure you stick to one argument this time. ;)

[Lily]

Wow, Lily, nothing gets by you, does it?

In nursing, speaking or writing in third person would be something worth mentioning under "PsychoSocial" notes because it's out of the ordinary. Just an observation.

[Michael]

This may shit on your "objectivism," but I don't give a fuck.

This type of power play by people, like the pimp and whore from the film, is exactly what Ayn Rand preached. Whatever it takes to do what you love (and therefore what you're doing well) is the only thing that matters. To ignore your own personal skills and desires for the betterment of others (ie taxpayers) is a cardinal sin in the church of objectivism. Sure, it would be optimum that these "crooks" make their way to the top without maneuvering through the tax laws (which is the only advice that was given at ACORN), but tax laws are designed to hinder people of this career field.

So, you have a decision to make: either you oppose the illegalization and taxation of ANY career choices or you stand behind your argument that ACORN giving a leg up to hard working individuals is a "Marxist, socialist, and communist" idea. Your choice. Either way, make sure you stick to one argument this time. ;)
Well done Drunk Dude. It is a bit messy, but a good argument. :thumbsup:

[Lasher]

This may shit on your "objectivism," but I don't give a fuck.

This type of power play by people, like the pimp and whore from the film, is exactly what Ayn Rand preached. Whatever it takes to do what you love (and therefore what you're doing well) is the only thing that matters. To ignore your own personal skills and desires for the betterment of others (ie taxpayers) is a cardinal sin in the church of objectivism. Sure, it would be optimum that these "crooks" make their way to the top without maneuvering through the tax laws (which is the only advice that was given at ACORN), but tax laws are designed to hinder people of this career field.

So, you have a decision to make: either you oppose the illegalization and taxation of ANY career choices or you stand behind your argument that ACORN giving a leg up to hard working individuals is a "Marxist, socialist, and communist" idea. Your choice. Either way, make sure you stick to one argument this time. ;)
Drunk Dude:
Lasher never wavers on a position; He is invariably correct in all his contentions, and is the final arbiter of all matters, so please stop being so jealous and envious of this great person. At bottom, every man knows well enough that Lash is a unique being, only once on this earth; and by no extraordinary chance will such a marvelously picturesque piece of diversity in unity as He is ever be put together a second time.

[Lasher]

In nursing, speaking or writing in third person would be something worth mentioning under "PsychoSocial" notes because it's out of the ordinary. Just an observation.
As is Lasher "out of the ordinary," dear.

[The Drunk Guy]

Well done Drunk Dude. It is a bit messy, but a good argument. :thumbsup:
I was drunk. :shrug:

[The Drunk Guy]

Drunk Dude:
Lasher never wavers on a position; He is invariably correct in all his contentions, and is the final arbiter of all matters, so please stop being so jealous and envious of this great person. At bottom, every man knows well enough that Lash is a unique being, only once on this earth; and by no extraordinary chance will such a marvelously picturesque piece of diversity in unity as He is ever be put together a second time.
:ummm:.....:rofl:

[Lasher]

:ummm:.....:rofl:
He who laughs last . . .

[Americano]

Drunk Dude:
Lasher never wavers on a position; He is invariably correct in all his contentions, and is the final arbiter of all matters, so please stop being so jealous and envious of this great person. At bottom, every man knows well enough that Lash is a unique being, only once on this earth; and by no extraordinary chance will such a marvelously picturesque piece of diversity in unity as He is ever be put together a second time.

The narcissistic aspect of your posts doesn't waver. You, a proclaimed atheist, did mention a God (you capitalized it) and I'm curious about that in your condemnation of prostitution while blaming Acorn for supposedly encouraging same. Perhaps another thread subject, but I feel it relates to the topic.

[Lily]

:ummm:.....:rofl:

I second that ROTFL and raise you a guffaw.

[Lasher]

The narcissistic aspect of your posts doesn't waver. You, a proclaimed atheist, did mention a God (you capitalized it) and I'm curious about that in your condemnation of prostitution while blaming Acorn for supposedly encouraging same. Perhaps another thread subject, but I feel it relates to the topic.

Au contraire, mon ami, Lasher holds no brief with the ancient and honorable profession of prostitution, as long as His money isn't forcefully taken from Him by the government to finance the practice thereof, as was suggested by the recent debacle in the offices of ACORN all over the country. ACORN has been exposed as the den of iniquity it is, and has been since its inception. The American people have seen first-hand just what happens to a large portion of their hard-earned money when handled by the liberal, leftist government we are now burdened with - hand-outs to the indolent and criminal segment of society solely for the purpose of the redistributing of the wealth (a dismal idea propounded by the losers of society for the purpose of punishing success and rewarding failure).

As far as narcissism is concerned, everyone should feel the pride in self that Lasher unashamedly exibits, even though few can approach Lasher's qualifications for the condition. Self-pride and self-respect are traits sadly missing in the great unwashed, due to the innate limitations imposed by nature upon the vast majority of the lowing herd, but even the lowest among us can feel some measure of pride in simply being a member of the human race, even if not as gifted as Lasher.

Lasher notes that you, also, capitalized the word "God," which shows that you too, respect the idea of others that they have a weakness that manifests itself in a yearning for knowledge of a power greater than their own, which they rightly realize is too impotent to succeed in finding the answer to their origins and ultimate destinies.