Exhumed Neighbors

[Margot]

Today I had the delightful chance to smell that indescribable smell of rotting human flesh as two bodies were exhumed from my neighbor's back yard.

The cops are keeping Mum like no one's business, but that can't keep a girl from basic two-and-two addition. I was wondering, though, if anyone here could help me with some of my questions? I mean, c'mon, one of you's gotta have some background in forensics...

See, this is being marketed as a "missing persons case" (no, looks like you found 'em), and a missing persons report was filed just yesterday. This morning at around 8AM the cops started trickling in, and by noon there were three Crime Scene units, a man from the coroner's office and some homicide detectives.

The police spent most of the afternoon with shovels in the back yard (fenced), and lots and lots of digging sounds could be heard. At around 4PM the man from the coroner's office reappeared, scrubs covered in dirt from the waste down.

Anyway, long story short, two bodies were wheeled out at around 9PM, though that unforgettable smell appeared much earlier than that.

How long were these bodies out there in the back yard? This all occurred in Southwest Florida where the water table is high and the heat and humidity are intense. Also, three dogs were taken from the home earlier today, and voices/fighting were heard about five days ago. I'm using the dirt on the scrubs of the coroner's rep. to gauge the depth of the graves- about three and a half (maybe four) feet deep.

I'm trying to figure out if the "missing person" they were going door-to-door about at around 1PM is one of the bodies, or if she's still missing and there are two other people out in the yard. I can't seem to make any part of the time frame given match what I know about the decomposition of human tissue (which is, I must admit, limited to pretty much "bodies decompose more slowly than they used to because we eat lotsa preservatives and stuff)

This is, needless to say, even more interesting (and horrifying and terrifying and traumatic) than the drive by shooting in front of my house about six months ago.

[The Drunk Guy]

Today I had the delightful chance to smell that indescribable smell of rotting human flesh as two bodies were exhumed from my neighbor's back yard.

The cops are keeping Mum like no one's business, but that can't keep a girl from basic two-and-two addition. I was wondering, though, if anyone here could help me with some of my questions? I mean, c'mon, one of you's gotta have some background in forensics...

See, this is being marketed as a "missing persons case" (no, looks like you found 'em), and a missing persons report was filed just yesterday. This morning at around 8AM the cops started trickling in, and by noon there were three Crime Scene units, a man from the coroner's office and some homicide detectives.

The police spent most of the afternoon with shovels in the back yard (fenced), and lots and lots of digging sounds could be heard. At around 4PM the man from the coroner's office reappeared, scrubs covered in dirt from the waste down.

Anyway, long story short, two bodies were wheeled out at around 9PM, though that unforgettable smell appeared much earlier than that.

How long were these bodies out there in the back yard? This all occurred in Southwest Florida where the water table is high and the heat and humidity are intense. Also, three dogs were taken from the home earlier today, and voices/fighting were heard about five days ago. I'm using the dirt on the scrubs of the coroner's rep. to gauge the depth of the graves- about three and a half (maybe four) feet deep.

I'm trying to figure out if the "missing person" they were going door-to-door about at around 1PM is one of the bodies, or if she's still missing and there are two other people out in the yard. I can't seem to make any part of the time frame given match what I know about the decomposition of human tissue (which is, I must admit, limited to pretty much "bodies decompose more slowly than they used to because we eat lotsa preservatives and stuff)

This is, needless to say, even more interesting (and horrifying and terrifying and traumatic) than the drive by shooting in front of my house about six months ago.
Sounds like you need to move.

Seeing as how it's Florida, I would say that they have been there less than a month.

[Lily]

Well, that's a scary proposition. I'm not an expert in decomposition, but given Florida's soil, rainfall, overall humidity, and the smell, I'm guessing the bodies hadn't been buried more than a couple of weeks or so. Bacteria thrive in warm, moist environments and that pretty much describes Florida in the summer.

[Michael]

ALL TIME BEST THREAD TITLE!!! :lol:

[drgoodtrips]

Today I had the delightful chance to smell that indescribable smell of rotting human flesh as two bodies were exhumed from my neighbor's back yard.

The cops are keeping Mum like no one's business, but that can't keep a girl from basic two-and-two addition. I was wondering, though, if anyone here could help me with some of my questions? I mean, c'mon, one of you's gotta have some background in forensics...

See, this is being marketed as a "missing persons case" (no, looks like you found 'em), and a missing persons report was filed just yesterday. This morning at around 8AM the cops started trickling in, and by noon there were three Crime Scene units, a man from the coroner's office and some homicide detectives.

The police spent most of the afternoon with shovels in the back yard (fenced), and lots and lots of digging sounds could be heard. At around 4PM the man from the coroner's office reappeared, scrubs covered in dirt from the waste down.

Anyway, long story short, two bodies were wheeled out at around 9PM, though that unforgettable smell appeared much earlier than that.

How long were these bodies out there in the back yard? This all occurred in Southwest Florida where the water table is high and the heat and humidity are intense. Also, three dogs were taken from the home earlier today, and voices/fighting were heard about five days ago. I'm using the dirt on the scrubs of the coroner's rep. to gauge the depth of the graves- about three and a half (maybe four) feet deep.

I'm trying to figure out if the "missing person" they were going door-to-door about at around 1PM is one of the bodies, or if she's still missing and there are two other people out in the yard. I can't seem to make any part of the time frame given match what I know about the decomposition of human tissue (which is, I must admit, limited to pretty much "bodies decompose more slowly than they used to because we eat lotsa preservatives and stuff)

This is, needless to say, even more interesting (and horrifying and terrifying and traumatic) than the drive by shooting in front of my house about six months ago.

It leads me to wonder why the murderer in question wouldn't just drive a bit and dump the bodies in the Everglades.

[Michael]

It leads me to wonder why the murderer in question wouldn't just drive a bit and dump the bodies in the Everglades.

As a general rule, people who are stupid enough to think that committing murder can solve their problems are not the type of people who are smart enough to get away with murder.

[drgoodtrips]

As a general rule, people who are stupid enough to think that committing murder can solve their problems are not the type of people who are smart enough to get away with murder.

:lol:

Probably a good point. It would never in a million years occur to me to 'solve' my problems that way, so maybe I'm already ahead of the curve.

[Donkey]

As a general rule, people who are stupid enough to think that committing murder can solve their problems are not the type of people who are smart enough to get away with murder.
I would also say, though, that people who are willing to commit murder don't care that much whether or not they get away with it.

[Michael]

I would also say, though, that people who are willing to commit murder don't care that much whether or not they get away with it.

I doubt if that is true at all. Murder cases tend to take longer than any other court cases. If murderers didn't care about getting caught, this wouldn't be true..

I think a better point is to say that those who are consumed with the passion of murder (murder is a crime of passion) are not usually capable of the cold calculating approach needed to get away with it.

[Margot]

Ironically, the woman they're still looking for (now it's Missing Persons+Double homicide) was the only witness to another murder in March. As the story goes she and her boyfriend-character and another friend were sitting around drinking whiskey in her trailer when a fight broke out and her boyfriend beat the other man to death.

He, of course, was promptly released for lack of evidence. Talk about getting away with murder...

So, we have a missing seventy year old floozy, her murderin' ex, a dead man in a trailer park and two more bodies less than thirty yards away from my front door. Also, there's a mystery man she may or may not have been living with, and he may or may not have been between the ages of 23 and 70.

BTW, still smells terrible here.

I'm sorry for the gruesome updates. I'm just, well, I guess I should be happy that this is the most interesting thing in my life right now. If this is the extent of my "interesting times" I will be content for life.

[Margot]

It leads me to wonder why the murderer in question wouldn't just drive a bit and dump the bodies in the Everglades.

That's sort of the general consensus here, too. The murder rate in my neighborhood has skyrocketed recently, and pretty much every possible body-stashing place I can think of has been used to, erm, stash a body. But the Everglades, well, they're just one quick stop on a weekend trip to Miami.

[Lily]

Why does it seem these stories always include the words "trailer parks" and "drinking?"

[Michael]

Why does it seem these stories always include the words "trailer parks" and "drinking?"

I kinda like the change of pace! :D

Around here, all I get to read about is yet another 'alleged' Jamaican immigrant gangbanger shoots yet another 'alleged' Jamaican immigrant gangbanger point blank in broad daylight, often recorded on local video security tapes (shown on the 6 o'clock news). Both the 'alleged' shooter and victim were said to be "known to police" and often have silly nicknames.

Such victims and/or shooters (usually both) account for about two-thirds of Toronto's total murder rate (averaging about 60-70 per year these days).

[The Drunk Guy]

That's sort of the general consensus here, too. The murder rate in my neighborhood has skyrocketed recently, and pretty much every possible body-stashing place I can think of has been used to, erm, stash a body. But the Everglades, well, they're just one quick stop on a weekend trip to Miami.
What, you guys don't watch Dexter down there? Got dump 'em in the currents. ;)

[Michael]

Getting a bit curious about this... Margot hasn't been seen around the forum after posting this thread... :sneaky:

[The Drunk Guy]

Getting a bit curious about this... Margot hasn't been seen around the forum after posting this thread... :sneaky:
:ummm: She just posted some a couple weeks ago.

[Michael]

:ummm: She just posted some a couple weeks ago.

I dunno about that... I think there's something suspicious going on here the way Margot talks about all these strang things happening next door and next thing you know "poof" Margot isn't around lately? :shrug:

It all seems rather mysterious if you ask me! :erm:

I hope the explanation doesn't involve zombies. :eek:

[The Drunk Guy]

I dunno about that... I think there's something suspicious going on here the way Margot talks about all these strang things happening next door and next thing you know "poof" Margot isn't around lately? :shrug:

It all seems rather mysterious if you ask me! :erm:

I hope the explanation doesn't involve zombies. :eek:
I was just looking through her post list and she's posted nearly 40 times since her last post in this thread. I think she is just swamped with school.

Ugh. Just got home from my first day of classes. Four in a row, from 12:30 to 9:15 all in one day. AND I have over seventeen full length papers to write for those four classes alone. I still have three left to go to this week and I know that at least one of those is writing intensive.

I have so much to do. :(

[Michael]

I was just looking through her post list and she's posted nearly 40 times since her last post in this thread. I think she is just swamped with school.

Glad to hear that Margot is okay. I was a bit worried there with the zombie potential and everything! :)

But this thread is no where near as fun or as interesting as it could be. :shrug:

[The Drunk Guy]

Glad to hear that Margot is okay. I was a bit worried there with the zombie potential and everything! :)

But this thread is no where near as fun or as interesting as it could be. :shrug:
Well, that's what happens when you collect all of us skeptics like this. ;)

[Donkey]

Margot is quite well, just hasn't felt like visiting the forum/posting lately.

[Lasher]

Today I had the delightful chance to smell that indescribable smell of rotting human flesh as two bodies were exhumed from my neighbor's back yard.

The cops are keeping Mum like no one's business, but that can't keep a girl from basic two-and-two addition. I was wondering, though, if anyone here could help me with some of my questions? I mean, c'mon, one of you's gotta have some background in forensics...

See, this is being marketed as a "missing persons case" (no, looks like you found 'em), and a missing persons report was filed just yesterday. This morning at around 8AM the cops started trickling in, and by noon there were three Crime Scene units, a man from the coroner's office and some homicide detectives.

The police spent most of the afternoon with shovels in the back yard (fenced), and lots and lots of digging sounds could be heard. At around 4PM the man from the coroner's office reappeared, scrubs covered in dirt from the waste down.

Anyway, long story short, two bodies were wheeled out at around 9PM, though that unforgettable smell appeared much earlier than that.

How long were these bodies out there in the back yard? This all occurred in Southwest Florida where the water table is high and the heat and humidity are intense. Also, three dogs were taken from the home earlier today, and voices/fighting were heard about five days ago. I'm using the dirt on the scrubs of the coroner's rep. to gauge the depth of the graves- about three and a half (maybe four) feet deep.

I'm trying to figure out if the "missing person" they were going door-to-door about at around 1PM is one of the bodies, or if she's still missing and there are two other people out in the yard. I can't seem to make any part of the time frame given match what I know about the decomposition of human tissue (which is, I must admit, limited to pretty much "bodies decompose more slowly than they used to because we eat lotsa preservatives and stuff)

This is, needless to say, even more interesting (and horrifying and terrifying and traumatic) than the drive by shooting in front of my house about six months ago.
Nice neighborhood you live in; is there any reason you can't move?

[Christy S]

I was in a hotel in South Beach, Miami about... gosh, 10 years ago? That cheaper Mexican place around 5th and the beach.
Not sure if it's still there ..
I smelled something really sickly sweet in the room and I complained and was moved to another room.
I couldn't get that smell outta my mind

A couple of days later, yep a body under the bed was found. Must've really smelled bad by that time.

[Margot]

I was in a hotel in South Beach, Miami about... gosh, 10 years ago? That cheaper Mexican place around 5th and the beach.
Not sure if it's still there ..
I smelled something really sickly sweet in the room and I complained and was moved to another room.
I couldn't get that smell outta my mind

A couple of days later, yep a body under the bed was found. Must've really smelled bad by that time.

Eugh! If Cracked.com is to be believed, that happens far more frequently than any of us would like to admit.

[evanescence]

As a general rule, people who are stupid enough to think that committing murder can solve their problems are not the type of people who are smart enough to get away with murder.

Unless I'm mistaken, a firm majority of homicides in this country go unsolved.

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=26784

[Michael]

Unless I'm mistaken, a firm majority of homicides in this country go unsolved.

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=26784

That is not a function of the intelligence of the murderers. It is rather a sad commentary on the frequency of gangland murder.

I know that our local murder solution rate is well above 90% if gangland killings are ignored (actually eliminating gangland hits, drops our murder rate in half).

[evanescence]

Yes, perhaps. And yet serial killers are usually above average intelligence. That's kind of odd, really.

[Michael]

Yes, perhaps. And yet serial killers are usually above average intelligence. That's kind of odd, really.
Not really. Just look at the psychopaths/sociopaths that inhabit Wall Street or most corporate boardrooms.

And the average IQ of a prison inmate is well under the national average.

[evanescence]

Not really. Just look at the psychopaths/sociopaths that inhabit Wall Street or most corporate boardrooms.

They're much smarter than they seem.

And the average IQ of a prison inmate is well under the national average.

I'm not talking about the average inmate. I'm talking about serial killers.

[Michael]

I'm not talking about the average inmate. I'm talking about serial killers.
Serial killers make up a micro-percentage of murderers.

[evanescence]

True.

[Margot]

I live in the neighborhood that in which I grew up. I live about a mile from my first home, actually. When I was a little girl there was a vast, undeveloped piece of land behind that house. I spent many, many hours there. I saw a Florida Panther back there. Wild turkeys, boar, rabbits, key dear, were all regular fixtures. Sometimes there were vagrant camps, you learned to avoid them.

My woods have been mostly developed, but there are still scraps up and down the street on which I grew up.

GUESS WHAT THEY FOUND? Yeah, no, seriously. Another body! Ok, technically just a skeleton, but what's the difference, really? A 17 year old kid was hiking through the woods near his house when he saw some bones. He did what anyone would do, and began messing with them (even though he thought the pelvis looked pretty human). He quit when he saw the skull. Apparently the body was partially covered/wrapped in a blanket and/or bag.

They're not reporting whether or not it was a man or a woman or any cause of death. Smells suspicious, don'tcha think?

Every summer this entire neighborhood floods. Had the kid gone out today instead of a couple days ago, the body would have been completely submerged. He never would have found it.

I rode my bike past that spot about a week ago.

Welcome to the hellmouth.

[evanescence]

I'd move. lol