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Dominick
Oct 19th 2008, 08:45 PM
Recuperated thread:


Another question from my historical methods class that might be intriguing to some:


How has nationalism influenced the practice of professional history?
Should historians attempt to transcend the category of the nation?


This question comes immediately after reading Benedict Anderson's Imagined Communities, which is definitely worth reading for anyone interested in the origins of nationalism.

I doubt I'll post my paper for this one, since I wasn't very happy with it. But in short, I feel that the category of the nation has a valuable place in works of history, or at least works of history focused on the last 400 years or so. This is true, if for no other reason, because the cultural artifact of "the nation" deserves to be examined and has held considerable sway over humanity's view of itself and the world.



Another question from my historical methods class that might be intriguing to some:

"How has nationalism influenced the practice of professional history?
Should historians attempt to transcend the category of the nation?"

This question comes immediately after reading Benedict Anderson's Imagined Communities, which is definitely worth reading for anyone interested in the origins of nationalism.

I doubt I'll post my paper for this one, since I wasn't very happy with it. But in short, I feel that the category of the nation has a valuable place in works of history, or at least works of history focused on the last 400 years or so. This is true, if for no other reason, because the cultural artifact of "the nation" deserves to be examined and has held considerable sway over humanity's view of itself and the world.
I read the brief review of the title at Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagined_Communities).

And I agree that the nation-state is certainly proven to be a whole lot stronger and more resiliant than most people give it credit for. Nationalism is surprisingly strong concept. I really like Anderson's assertion that membership is self-defined. That seems like a key element of nationalism. People choose to identify themselves such, or not, on a subjective basis.

As for historians, that's always going to be a challenge. With historians being human, I don't see how they can be expected to be above the petty emotions of nationalism - or need to. Once again it comes back to 'honesty' here I think. It is enough for a historian to be upfront (and aware) of one's own (natural) subjective biases. One can never really succeed in transcending them anyways, so one ought to drop the pretence that one is doing so.

Non Sequitur
Oct 23rd 2008, 11:52 PM
As a history major, I like this thread.

What do we mean by "transcend the category of nation." If we mean some how rise above the context that we are placed in I don't believe that is possible. The places we live we always effect our views. On the other hand, I don't believe that history should be subjected to purposes and plans of the nation. History should not be a tool of a nation (even though it has been used that way often in the past).

Michael
Oct 26th 2008, 10:10 AM
As a history major, I like this thread.

What do we mean by "transcend the category of nation." If we mean some how rise above the context that we are placed in I don't believe that is possible. The places we live we always effect our views. On the other hand, I don't believe that history should be subjected to purposes and plans of the nation. History should not be a tool of a nation (even though it has been used that way often in the past).
Well, as a history major, you should be familiar with the age-old assertion that historians ought to be objectively neutral (when they never actually are).

The assumption of neutrality in a heavily biased history is one of the greatest flaws in history books. All historians are biased as human subjects - they can never be anything but.

I think the only way to address this is for the historian to be honest and upfront about their own subjective bias. Pretending they are being objective when they are not is a significant failing of historians.