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bug
Apr 17th 2009, 07:39 PM
Wilde's whole point in writing The Picture of Dorian Gray was aesthetics. The driving motivation for it was art for art's sake, and he advised against trying to make any more out of the book in his preface. However, since humans seem to think that the more harmonious and symmetrical something is, the prettier it is, I can't imagine all the ethical points tackled in the book don't round out to something concrete. All that Lord Henry says, the obvious rewards and punishments, and references to conscience in the book can't be Wilde just spouting flowery words. Trying to make rhyme and reason out of all the contradictions in the book is quite a challenge, but I am bound and determined to see it through.

Lord Henry, seen as the corrupter of Dorian and the catalyst for his downfall, says outrageous things, in Victorian English context. He says that life should lived for pleasure and sensory experience, and morality's only function is to fill us with fear and regret. Dorian decides to make this his life, his unaging beauty making it possible to live out Lord Henry's ideas. He also has the benifit of bodilly disconnecting his conscience from himself, in the form of the painting that bears the physical consequence of his evil. However, the picture torments him in a different way. He can't sleep, paranoid that someone might find it. He checks and checks to make sure no one has been in the room that houses the painting and begins to suspect that everyone around him is trying to see it. So the simple moral of the story could be that you shouldn't live your life in a hedonistic way or you will pay. But that's boring.

I don't think that it's Lord Henry's poisonous words that corrupt an innocent soul. The good Lord H spends his time studying people and questioning the norms that most people just accept. Tapered down and used by a person not prone to extremes, I can't see whats wrong with living for delights of the senses and new experiences. Dorian's faults existed before he adopted this new way of life, and these faults combined with a decadent lifestyle turned him into a montser. As soon as we meet him in the beginning of the novel, he is a brat. He is selfish and whiny. He doesn't like to be told things that make him think or make him uncomfortable. A month later, through the incident with his first love, we see how prone he is to self-deception and justification of his actions. He has a well-developed skill of redirecting blame so neatly that it becomes impossible for him, in his mind, to be in the wrong. Even at the end, where we are finally alone with Dorian and his thoughts (as most of the book has him parroting Lord Henry), we see that he has decieved himself into thinking that, in not doing the absolute worst thing in a scenario that he could have, he was doing something good for the sake of goodness. He can't understand why the picture isn't getting better. I wonder if the whole book is warning against deception.

Even that doesn't work very neatly. Any other book lovers/analysts who've read this gem want to speculate?

Sucre
Apr 18th 2009, 06:21 PM
I read Dorian Gray a long long time ago. I was very impressed but would not remember the details.

A book telling a story cannot be about aesthetic. If Wilde wrote that in his preface, it is because he was trying to fool his readers.
(To fool them so that they read the book and not throw it away in disgust of what it tells them ...)

As I see it, the story is no more than a tale on the Victorian Society, Wilde despised, its hypocrisie and superficiality, and in general an allegory on the human character.

The story conveys many powerful images : the beautiful self outside, physical beauty, and the hideous soul inside, hidden in the attic (the attic = the mind), the ugly stains left by life, more and more of them as we advance in life ... In a way it applies perfectly to our present society ;).

http://www.atelier-rc.com/Atelier.RC/b-dayCalendar/02.20.97-AlbrightIvan/DorianGray.jpg

In a way it is also a moral story since, at the end of the story, Dorian stabbs the ugly painting, only to die himself, aged and horrible, while the painting has returned to its original state. My interpretation of this part is that responsibility in unescapable. What ever you do in your life, it leaves a mark ... somewhere.

Michael
Apr 19th 2009, 11:14 AM
Even that doesn't work very neatly. Any other book lovers/analysts who've read this gem want to speculate?

I must admit that I'm a huge fan of Wilde's writings. :)

On the surface, I think the book is just a clever observation of normal life - we tend to get old and ugly, bearing the scars of life, while a photograph or painting that captured the beauty of our youth stands untouched, beautiful forever. Wilde reverses this dynamic to draw attention to it.

Let us not forget that Wilde himself had gone to fat and had very bad teeth in his middle age. This disturbed Wilde enormously (since he was vain).

Knowing Wilde from reading so much of his written work, I can say that Wilde was very much more interested in the masks that people wear rather than the reality it conceals. Wilde was convinced that the inner reality of people was ugly and boring. Thus, Wilde celebrated the 'wearing of masks' (Cf. "The Decay of the Art of Lying").

Thus, the 'mask' that Dorian wore was one of beauty and innocence. I think Wilde himself would have made the same choice as Dorian. It pained Wilde that his body should show the marks of his age - he was a hedonist after all.
Indeed, it seems possible that the book is vaguely 'autobiographical' in this sense.

bug
Apr 21st 2009, 05:56 PM
Knowing Wilde from reading so much of his written work, I can say that Wilde was very much more interested in the masks that people wear rather than the reality it conceals. Wilde was convinced that the inner reality of people was ugly and boring. Thus, Wilde celebrated the 'wearing of masks' (Cf. "The Decay of the Art of Lying").

Thus, the 'mask' that Dorian wore was one of beauty and innocence. I think Wilde himself would have made the same choice as Dorian. It pained Wilde that his body should show the marks of his age - he was a hedonist after all.
Indeed, it seems possible that the book is vaguely 'autobiographical' in this sense.

That's interesting. I've read a bit about his life, some critcism, and snippets of his trial and he seems to be, in real life, very much like the character in Lord Henry--full of quips, witticisms, and spur-of-the-moment brilliance. It seems that many share your idea that this book was autobiographical, but they fight about it. Some say that Dorian is the "grey" blank slate-like battleground where "the Basil" and "the Henry" in Wilde can duke it out on paper. Some say that the characters in Dorian Grey is Wilde writing about the complexity of having three different aspects of personality, Freud style. Plus, you can see in Basil Wilde has his worship of art and affection for males. In Henry, his musings, cleverness, and almost scientific study of humanity are displayed. In Dorian, Wilde's charisma and delight in decadence are there as well. I agree with you that if he was given the option, Wilde's choice would have echoed Dorian's. Perhaps the book was an attempt to assure himself that if he could have his pretty face back, things would go sour for him; it was maybe the way he could make himself okay with the process of aging.

Very fun. Oscar is a joy...I just finished "the Imporatance of Being Earnest" and it made me laugh out load more than once. Wilde seems to make the upper crust society very clever in his writings, as if people who are rich have the luxury of just sitting around and being brilliant all day. Poor people can't afford to think. :D

Michael
Apr 25th 2009, 10:57 AM
I agree with you that if he was given the option, Wilde's choice would have echoed Dorian's. Perhaps the book was an attempt to assure himself that if he could have his pretty face back, things would go sour for him; it was maybe the way he could make himself okay with the process of aging.
Yes, this is how I see the book. Wilde was a handsome and dashing dilettante in his early years and notoriously vane. It was the original basis to his fame. Like most homosexuals, he didn't adjust to aging very well (men traditionally are attracted to beauty, far more so than women - this is a key characteristic of homosexual culture - which is why ugly old homosexuals tend to get very depressed).

(I think there is something to the fact that homosexuality has strong cultural associations with adolescence - and all the immaturity that implies - and the difficulty with dealing with age issues)

Very fun. Oscar is a joy...I just finished "the Imporatance of Being Earnest" and it made me laugh out load more than once. Wilde seems to make the upper crust society very clever in his writings, as if people who are rich have the luxury of just sitting around and being brilliant all day. Poor people can't afford to think. :D
Yes, Wilde was a snob, no doubt of that. ;)

And a damn witty one he was! :D

I've seen that play performed several times - it is one of my favorites.

The only piece of Wilde's writing I wouldn't recommend is the "Ballad of Reading Goal" - Oscar's sad self-apology written in prison. It is pathetic.