Unemployment

[NickKIELCEPoland]

How should we deal with unemployment?
I have heard of unemployed people who have much more expensive mobile phones than I have, and pay 24 British pounds every two weeks to watch football.

I am appalled! Should we stop unemployment money, and instead give tokens for essentials???

[Donkey]

How should we deal with unemployment?
I have heard of unemployed people who have much more expensive mobile phones than I have, and pay 24 British pounds every two weeks to watch football.

I am appalled! Should we stop unemployment money, and instead give tokens for essentials???

How should we handle unemployment?

Well, in the long term we are going to have to shorten the defined "work week" significantly.

[pramjockey]

How should we handle unemployment?

Well, in the long term we are going to have to shorten the defined "work week" significantly.

Part of it, possibly. I sure as hell wouldn't mind going back from a 50 hour work week to something reasonable (being on salary sucks sometimes).

The trick will be convincing businesses and shareholders/stockholders that they can accept less profit at first, as they invest in their employees again. Ultimately, IMHO, a shift back to single-income households may be a big part of the answer. Not necessarily male income, but single income. But, that requires jobs that actually pay enough to support a household on.

[Dominick]

Treating it as a social problem instead of an economical one would be a start.

[pramjockey]

Treating it as a social problem instead of an economical one would be a start.

But it's both. Ignoring the economic impacts would only create problems, not solve them.

[NickKIELCEPoland]

It is ridiculous that so many able-bodied people are not obliged to do anything for the money - an hour a week visiting old people who are lonely - that would be ideal, for vetted young people.

I blame Bill CLinton and his ridiculous and stupid statemnet - it's the economy stupid. Hello, wakey-wakey, Billy, prime ministers and presidents are paid to come up with brilliant schemes like the one I mentioned, instead of letting old people die unnoticed until neighbours complain about the smell. Instead of letting unemployed youth feel worthless.

[Michael]

It is ridiculous that so many able-bodied people are not obliged to do anything for the money - an hour a week visiting old people who are lonely - that would be ideal, for vetted young people.

I blame Bill CLinton and his ridiculous and stupid statemnet - it's the economy stupid. Hello, wakey-wakey, Billy, prime ministers and presidents are paid to come up with brilliant schemes like the one I mentioned, instead of letting old people die unnoticed until neighbours complain about the smell. Instead of letting unemployed youth feel worthless.

So, let me get this straight. Society ignores old people. And this is Bill Clinton's fault? :ummm:

[Dominick]

But it's both. Ignoring the economic impacts would only create problems, not solve them.
That's a choice. There are hundreds of ways to organize a society. But if one organizes society in such a way that on the one hand people's well-being, feelings of self-worth and even their identity rely on the job they have and on the other hand simultaneously toss away workers as easily as used condoms then one shouldn't be surprised to get a society with massive social problems, high criminality, increasing suicide rates and so on.

[Americano]

That's a choice. There are hundreds of ways to organize a society. But if one organizes society in such a way that on the one hand people's well-being, feelings of self-worth and even their identity rely on the job they have and on the other hand simultaneously toss away workers as easily as used condoms then one shouldn't be surprised to get a society with massive social problems, high criminality, increasing suicide rates and so on.

Why couldn't that be considered a form of natural selection, based on the value of a worker?

[NickKIELCEPoland]

So, let me get this straight. Society ignores old people. And this is Bill Clinton's fault? :ummm:
I think Bill Clinton was paid enough for being president, to come up with little ideas to make the US a happier place, like the idea that I just came up with.

Instead, he spent all the time thinking about the economy, 90% of which was uneffected by anything he did, and 10% being worsened by things he did (like repealing the Glass-Stegal Act)

[Donkey]

Why couldn't that be considered a form of natural selection, based on the value of a worker?

It could be, for social darwinists.

Decent people aren't.

[Dominick]

Why couldn't that be considered a form of natural selection, based on the value of a worker?
Because natural selection, by definition, doesn't include anything that pertains to culture. Actual natural selection has only a very low, if not marginal, role in a society as complex as that of homo sapiens sapiens. Come to think of it, natural selection has become of little relevance for most species on the planet. It's humans that decide what lives in the Anthropocene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene). Most environmental stress factors are the result of human activity for most species.

[NickKIELCEPoland]

Michael, I think Bill Clinton was paid enough for being president, to come up with little ideas to make the US a happier place, like the idea that I just came up with.

Instead, he spent all the time thinking about the economy, 90% of which was uneffected by anything he did, and 10% being worsened by things he did (like repealing the Glass-Stegal Act)

[Michael]

Instead, he spent all the time thinking about the economy, 90% of which was uneffected by anything he did, and 10% being worsened by things he did (like repealing the Glass-Stegal Act)

All your 'facts' stated here are actually unfactual.