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MeMyselfAndI
Apr 6th 2011, 12:41 AM
Moscow To Take Siberian Identity Into Account In Nationality Policy, United Russia Deputy Says


In what many Siberians see as a recognition of their status as a separate nationality and in a move with potentially far reaching consequences for other groups in the Russian Federation, a United Russia Duma deputy says that Moscow “will consider the Siberians” when it is developing and carrying out nationality-related policies.
Valery Draganov, the first deputy chairman of the Duma industrial committee, noted that “according to the results of the last census, the word ‘Siberian’ in the nationality line has broken all records,” with significant numbers of residents in Tyumen, Omsk, and other cities east of the Urals identifying themselves that way (globalsib.com/10029/; www.pnp.ru/extnews/1494.html (http://www.pnp.ru/extnews/1494.html)).
“Under conditions when the sense of being cut off is growting among residents of the regions, when they do not feel themselves as part of the large country,” Draganov said in words posted on the United Russia Party website, “the question of nationality policy acquires an unprecedented sharpness.”


Rosstat has not yet released nationality figures from the 2010 census, but clearly the number of people in Siberia who identified as Siberians was large – and would have been larger still had it not been the widely reported actions of census takers who illegally refused to enter such declarations on the census forms.
Draganov noted that there are currently “many challenges on the path of strengthening the multi-national unity of Russia,” including differences in religion, culture and way of life of people living in various parts of the country. “Under communism, this question was regulated by political-administrative methods,” but now “such an approach is unacceptable.”
“What is necessary,” the United Russia deputy said, “is a consensus, one when on the one hand is formed a tolerant milieu, with all conditions established for the preservation of the national traditions of peoples of Russia, and on the other, is developed in citizens a spirit of unity and a feeling of belonging to one great country.”
“A wise nationality policy can assist in the adoption of balanced decisions directed at the economic development of the regions … the stimulation of a favorable investment climate in the regions, and the formation of conditions for the development of business,” Draganov continued, focusing on the specific areas of his responsibility.
“In particular,” Draganov said, in all such programs” must be considered not only economic and social indicators but also their cultural and national peculiarities.” Doing so, he added, “will more correctly direct resources, assess risks, and create conditions for the strengthening of the institutions of democracy.”
And he said that in his view, “decisions in the area of nationality policy mustbe taken not only on the basis of the opinion of the international expert community but also on that of administrative-political structures,” something that would open the way to various subgroups within existing nations.
For Siberians, both regionalists and nationalists, this represents an important victory in their drive for recognition as a self-standing community. But for other subgroups of ethnic Russians and other nationalities, it may be even more important, opening the way for an unpacking of the definitions of nationality the Russian Federation inherited from Soviet times.
And that shift from an objective to a subjective definition of nationality, one that the 1993 Constitution promised but that Russian Federation officials have often ignored or resisted, could dramatically change how the citizens of that country define themselves and hence what kind of political units are likely to emerge in that part of Eurasia.
http://www.eurasiareview.com/moscow-to-take-siberian-identity-into-account-in-nationality-policy-united-russia-deputy-says-04042011/

Well, it's good in some ways. Particularly one really important way: according to this (http://www.rg.ru/2011/04/05/reg-sibir/sibiryaki.html) people of both Slavic and indegenous backgrounds write themselves as 'Siberians'. There is a sort of regional bonding, at least. The less ethnic conflict, the bett IMHO

Cossacks too now consider themselves an ethnicity, and write as such, according to this last Census, there are 7,000,000 people who consider themselves Cossacks in this country. Understandable figure, in three provinces, Rostov Oblast, Krasnodar krai, Stavropol krai, entire Slavic population, overwhelming majority there, are of Cossack heritage.

My people, Pomors, are also making an effort to be counted as a nation. Encouraging people to remember who they are.

It is good they lifted restrictions on what you can write on the Census.

It's getting ridiculous though, going too far, with made-up nationalities/ethnicities. Apparently, there are 49,000 Elves in Russia, 30,000 Hobbits, and some 70,000 listed Jediism as their religious affiliation... Oh, well. That's a fun country to live in, I suppose :D

Michael
Apr 6th 2011, 05:49 PM
http://www.eurasiareview.com/moscow-to-take-siberian-identity-into-account-in-nationality-policy-united-russia-deputy-says-04042011/

Well, it's good in some ways. Particularly one really important way: according to this (http://www.rg.ru/2011/04/05/reg-sibir/sibiryaki.html) people of both Slavic and indegenous backgrounds write themselves as 'Siberians'. There is a sort of regional bonding, at least. The less ethnic conflict, the bett IMHO

Cossacks too now consider themselves an ethnicity, and write as such, according to this last Census, there are 7,000,000 people who consider themselves Cossacks in this country. Understandable figure, in three provinces, Rostov Oblast, Krasnodar krai, Stavropol krai, entire Slavic population, overwhelming majority there, are of Cossack heritage.

My people, Pomors, are also making an effort to be counted as a nation. Encouraging people to remember who they are.

It is good they lifted restrictions on what you can write on the Census.

It's getting ridiculous though, going too far, with made-up nationalities/ethnicities. Apparently, there are 49,000 Elves in Russia, 30,000 Hobbits, and some 70,000 listed Jediism as their religious affiliation... Oh, well. That's a fun country to live in, I suppose :D

It took years, but "Canadian" is now the fastest growing "ethnicity" in Canada. The government and bureaucrats fought hard to not allow this, but democracy won the day.

The choice to define one's ethnicity as "Canadian" was driven by a backlash against the obssessive desire to define people by ethnicity. The label "Canadian" does not admit of any ethinicity at all and essentially denies the concept.

Donkey
Apr 6th 2011, 06:57 PM
It took years, but "Canadian" is now the fastest growing "ethnicity" in Canada. The government and bureaucrats fought hard to not allow this, but democracy won the day.

The choice to define one's ethnicity as "Canadian" was driven by a backlash against the obssessive desire to define people by ethnicity. The label "Canadian" does not admit of any ethinicity at all and essentially denies the concept.
Alternatively you could say it REdefines the concept. Ethnicity is a fluid, ambiguous self-determination. Latinos/Hispanics, for instance, are the "largest minority" in the United States, but this includes blacks, whites, indigenous americans, and everything in between.

Michael
Apr 6th 2011, 07:28 PM
Alternatively you could say it REdefines the concept. Ethnicity is a fluid, ambiguous self-determination. Latinos/Hispanics, for instance, are the "largest minority" in the United States, but this includes blacks, whites, indigenous americans, and everything in between.

Yes, I suppose that's true in the sense that what is commonly or traditionally meant by the term 'ethnicity' has now come to mean 'culture' (which includes a self-identification component).

MeMyselfAndI
Apr 6th 2011, 07:51 PM
Yes, I suppose that's true in the sense that what is commonly or traditionally meant by the term 'ethnicity' has now come to mean 'culture' (which includes a self-identification component).

That's it.

Siberians are indeed unique. What you have is indegenous peoples, like Yakutians, Buryatians, Khakassians, Evenkians, Tyvans, Altaians, and others; than when all this became part of Russia, mixed with Slavic settlers, first, Cossacks, who beat the Chinese out of there, allying with Mongols for this purpose, and established fortified outpost settlements at the borders, some of which are now cities like Irkutsk, Chita, Khabarovsk. There are still many people in those areas who have Cossack heritage; many still remember it and respect it. Then, came the shackled prisoners. Hard labor camps were established in Northern Siberia back under the Tsars, with prisoners forced to work in mines or logging camps. Also, disgraced military men, officers, expelled from the Imperial Armed Forces, were often exiled to Siberia. Old Way Orthodox Christians and other persecuted people also fled or were chased there. So, it sort of became a land of riffraff, like Australia then for British I suppose :D Soviet years added to that, GULag and all. Today, it is a diverse place, with interesting people. Their music is great, they have bands like Namgar that I already mentioned here (http://www.discussionworldforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1494), other singers like Tsydyp Ayushiev
http://ulanovka.ru/forum/images/users/4476/%D0%A6%D1%8B%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%BF_%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2% D1%8B%D0%B9_3_2_3_demo.jpg
Dulma Sunrapova
http://vtinform.ru/upload/iblock/65c/det_gen_4223a8kpyc.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTKqCJQQA9I

Madegma Dordjieva
http://burweb.ru/images/4.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0Ws7BYCM3c

and others.

It's just a different place.

Some say it is not a good thing too, that people East of the Ural do not feel themselves as a part of the country as a whole... Who knows. I hope not.

Greendruid
Apr 16th 2011, 08:39 PM
MMAI, you've posted more than a few very interesting photos and comments about Siberian work-camps. I was just wondering, where do they send Siberians???

MeMyselfAndI
Apr 16th 2011, 08:46 PM
MMAI, you've posted more than a few very interesting photos and comments about Siberian work-camps. I was just wondering, where do they send Siberians???

Prison camps you mean? Well, that's in the North East. Magadan oblast.