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MeMyselfAndI
Mar 31st 2011, 05:43 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29

Lapta (Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language): лапта́) is a Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) bat and ball game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_and_ball_games) first known to be played in the 14th century.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-0) Mentions of lapta have been found in medieval manuscripts, and balls and bats were found in the 14th-century layers during excavations in Novgorod. It is similar to cricket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket), brännboll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Br%C3%A4nnboll), Rounders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rounders), baseball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball), oină (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oin%C4%83) and pesäpallo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pes%C3%A4pallo).

Rules


The game is played outside on a field the size of half an association football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football) pitch[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1)20 x 25 sazhens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sazhen) (about 140 x 175 feet). There are 5 people on the field from the defending team, as well as pitcher/server.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1) This pitcher server stands near the batter of the opposing team and hits a ball in the direction of the batter.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1) The team that bats contains six people.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1) Each hitter gets 2 chances to hit the ball over a 10m line.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1) If they succeed at that, the runners can go to an endline at the other end of the pitch.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1) If a player manages to run between the two endpoints, the get 2 points.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1) Games last an hour, split into two equal halves.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-rules-1)
The edges of the field were marked with parallel lines, called salo.
The goal of the game is to hit the ball, served by a player of the opposite team, with the bat and send the ball as far as possible, then run across the field to the kon line, and if possible to run back to the gorod line.
The running player should try to avoid being hit with the ball, which is thrown by the opposing team members. For successful runs, the team earns points. A team wins by either getting more points during the scheduled time or by having all its players complete runs.
A description of lapta is given by Aleksandr Kuprin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Kuprin):
This folk game is one of the most interesting and useful games. Lapta requires resourcefulness, deep breathing, faithfulness to your group, attention, dexterity, fast running, good aiming and marksmanship, strong striking hands, and firm eternal confidence that you cannot be defeated. The lazy and cowardly have no place in this game.
Origin for baseball(?)

According to Russian magazines Little Light and Izvestia, baseball was developed from lapta by 18th century Russian Americans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_American).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapta_%28game%29#cite_note-3)

Ha! Imagine that :D

Well, it looks similar to baseball, that's for sure: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EICrIrNbmn4

Bats are slightly different though:
http://club-3t.ru/uploads/posts/2010-02/1265464246_lapta.jpg

But I heard these days, since genuine Lapta bats are hard to find in many parts of the country, youth there do use regular American-style baseball bats and it works fine.

Michael
Mar 31st 2011, 06:21 PM
But I heard these days, since genuine Lapta bats are hard to find in many parts of the country, youth there do use regular American-style baseball bats and it works fine.

That bat looks like a cricket bat. And cricket definitely is the origin of American baseball.

That being said, Russia has a long history of claiming to be the first inventors of just about everything western or modern. :shrug:

MeMyselfAndI
Mar 31st 2011, 06:34 PM
That bat looks like a cricket bat. And cricket definitely is the origin of American baseball.

That being said, Russia has a long history of claiming to be the first inventors of just about everything western or modern. :shrug:

True :)

But Lapta is much older than baseball. Or cricket.

Cricket was first played in the 16th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cricket))

Lapta has been around since the 14th :)

Actually we Northerners started this game. Still a favorite sport in my home town Arkhangelsk and all over the North. I played too, when was a child. It was a great time :D

The Drunk Guy
Mar 31st 2011, 07:37 PM
That bat looks like a cricket bat. And cricket definitely is the origin of American baseball.

That being said, Russia has a long history of claiming to be the first inventors of just about everything western or modern. :shrug:
*cough*vodka*cough*

Michael
Mar 31st 2011, 08:06 PM
*cough*vodka*cough*

Yes, Russia probably was the origin of the invention of that - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was Poland. :D

I was referring to mundane modern inventions like electricity, lightbulbs, railroads, telephones, telegraphs, radios, televisions, computers, etc.

MeMyselfAndI
Mar 31st 2011, 08:20 PM
Yes, Russia probably was the origin of the invention of that - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was Poland. :D

I was referring to mundane modern inventions like electricity, lightbulbs, railroads, telephones, telegraphs, radios, televisions, computers, etc.

You are right both ways

According to the Gin and Vodka Association (GVA) [10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka#cite_note-9), vodka was first distilled in late 9th century Russia, while the distilation process had been invented in 8th century Poland.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka#cite_note-10)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka#History

But it was famous Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev (who also invented the Periodic Table of Elements)
http://cnx.org/content/m32186/latest/graphics7.jpg
who worked out the formula for perfect vodka in the late 19th Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

Yes, we know our great ancestors :)

Michael
Mar 31st 2011, 08:25 PM
You are right both ways

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka#History

:)


But it was famous Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev (who also invented the Periodic Table of Elements)
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who worked out the formula for perfect vodka in the late 19th Century
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Mendeleev

Yes, we know our great ancestors :)
Yes, I've certainly heard of Mendeleev as the inventor of the periodic table (I'm a mean Jeopardy player).

Russians are not without many contributions to world's font of knowledge, science and technology. Just not quite as many as the Soviet traditional claims would suggest.

Edited to add: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeopardy! (for our non-North American friends!)

The Drunk Girl
Apr 1st 2011, 02:26 AM
Yes, Russia probably was the origin of the invention of that - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was Poland. :D

I was referring to mundane modern inventions like electricity, lightbulbs, railroads, telephones, telegraphs, radios, televisions, computers, etc.

We have been drinking on top of the line Polish vodka for awhile now. The half gallon is almost empty :lol: Stoli is pretty damn good and that is coming from a non-vodka drinker.

MMSAI: If you came to the US and said this, you might get beat. Only kidding. I don't give two shits about baseball. All I know about it is from SportsCenter. I'm more of a NCAA basketball fan (GO UK: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY) and NFL. All the rest is shit to me. But I am only one person, which equals a 5/10 chick, with big breasts that likes sports, beer, and classic rock/indie rock :rofl:

The Drunk Guy
Apr 1st 2011, 09:01 AM
You are right both ways

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodka#History


Sorry, but I noticed the sites on the page and had to pull this out....http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-travel/wodka-wars

Its pretty long, but definitely entertaining and informative.

MeMyselfAndI
Apr 1st 2011, 05:58 PM
MMSAI: If you came to the US and said this, you might get beat. Only kidding. I don't give two shits about baseball. All I know about it is from SportsCenter. I'm more of a NCAA basketball fan (GO UK: UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY) and NFL. All the rest is shit to me. But I am only one person, which equals a 5/10 chick, with big breasts that likes sports, beer, and classic rock/indie rock :rofl:

Basketball is okay. Football (what you Americans call 'soccer') has always been my favorite sport. This country is crazy about 'soccer'
http://ebanal.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/euro_football25.jpg
:D

Donkey
Apr 3rd 2011, 01:41 PM
You and most of the world. I don't think most folks in the US quite understand how the rest of the world feels about soccer.

Non Sequitur
Apr 4th 2011, 09:29 AM
You and most of the world. I don't think most folks in the US quite understand how the rest of the world feels about soccer.

Lord knows i don't get it... :confused:

Americano
Apr 4th 2011, 11:11 AM
Lord knows i don't get it... :confused:

Vicarious spectator sport participation. As close as they'll get to the real thing in any popular sport driven by spectator revenue.

MeMyselfAndI
Apr 4th 2011, 02:16 PM
Lord knows i don't get it... :confused:

It's quite simple (I don't know if Americano means what I mean). Two biggest sports here are hockey and football ('soccer'). Hockey is a lot more expensive, because you have to buy all sorts of equipment, sticks, pads, etc. And for the street teams, that mostly happens in cold climates, in Northern parts of the country, where there is snow and ice year-round. All you need for football is a ball and a field of grass. So, everybody plays, everybody watches. Doesn't matter if you are rich or poor, your children can participate. It unites the whole country, when the national team plays.

Euro 2008, prime example. When Andrei Arshavin scored the winning goal and the national team made it into the semi-finals past Holland, first time in our history; the whole country went crazy,

Moscow
http://artalbum.ru/li/russia_football.jpg

Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia-Alania
http://photopolygon.com/photo/fit/198/2684/14906.jpg.700
(2 Ossetians on national team :D)

Kazan, Tatarstan
http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/b/3/27/478/27478440_1213864368_AP0806190211.jpg
(1 Tatar on the team)

Ulan-Ude, Buryatia
http://euro2008.lenta.ru/images/euro2008/news/2008/06/27/luzhniki/picture.jpg

Vladivostok
http://primamedia.ru/files/21360.jpg

and even ice-cold Magadan, where it was -50 degrees Celsius that day
http://www.shadrinsk.info/albums/52/p1250260_jpg_1024x1024_q85.jpg

all came out to celebrate. In Moscow alone nearly two million people partied in the streets. Amazing time. Didn't win in semi-finals, but who can, against Spain :) Was still good. When Arshavin returned to his native Saint Petersburg, a huge crowd surrounded the airplane, and they carried him through the airport, past the customs and all, the security people didn't bother with that, obviously. The Northern Capital welcomed back its hero :D
http://www.dv.is/media/news/story/image/arshavin_jpg_800x1200_q95.jpg?entry=37858

And Roman Pavlyuchenko of Stavropol krai (who had since been nominated and elected member of regional legislature there, apparently without even his knowledge)
http://static.guim.co.uk/Guardian/sport/gallery/2008/sep/02/1/PavlyuchenkoAndreasRentzGetty1-2029.jpg
has had to change his home and mobile phone numbers a dozen times: after the numbers were repeatedly leaked on the internet by some hacker-joker, girls from all over the country and some even from other former Soviet Republics kept phoning him, proposing their love, even marriage. True story :)

That's how much we love our football. lol

Donkey
Apr 4th 2011, 02:42 PM
It can be a great unifier. (Also a great divider, as you've spoken to before.)

Non Sequitur
Apr 4th 2011, 04:36 PM
Vicarious spectator sport participation. As close as they'll get to the real thing in any popular sport driven by spectator revenue.

Oh I understand why spectator sports are fun (and i am not quite as cynical about them as you are) I just don't get why people think soccer/football is fun :D

Donkey
Apr 4th 2011, 04:47 PM
Oh I understand why spectator sports are fun (and i am not quite as cynical about them as you are) I just don't get why people think soccer/football is fun :D

ALL sports can be fun. :)

My muscles are sore because this weekend I spent two hours playing high intensity FourSquare. :shrug:

Michael
Apr 4th 2011, 05:16 PM
Lord knows i don't get it... :confused:

It has a lot to do with the fact that it is a democratic sport. Like basketball, it is cheap and available to everyone all over the world.

Hockey, American football and baseball are all about buying specialized equipment in order to play the game and then paying for the specialized field/arena rental. Thus, these are middle class sports by definition.

Soccer is the only professional-team sport that I'll watch these days. The lack of referees stopping and restarting the game every 15 seconds definitely has something to do with it for me.