Boring Thread

[Tom Palven]

The headlines on the front page of today's Jacksonville, FL, Times-Union sports page is Talks collapse; lockout likely.
Is there anything more boring than NFL cintract negotiation news? Seems unlikely.

[The Drunk Guy]

The headlines on the front page of today's Jacksonville, FL, Times-Union sports page is Talks collapse; lockout likely.
Is there anything more boring than NFL cintract negotiation news? Seems unlikely.
Well, its interesting to see that entertainment unions make the most ruthless negotiators. The NFLPA is now preparing to take the NFL owners to court.

[Americano]

The headlines on the front page of today's Jacksonville, FL, Times-Union sports page is Talks collapse; lockout likely.
Is there anything more boring than NFL cintract negotiation news? Seems unlikely.

Regardless of fan emotion spectator sports are all about money, nothing else. If the union/players are stupid enough to ignore owner return on capital requirements they deserve a year off work without pay.

[The Drunk Girl]

They are wanting better benefits after retirement and to not have an 18 game season

[Michael]

Regardless of fan emotion spectator sports are all about money, nothing else. If the union/players are stupid enough to ignore owner return on capital requirements they deserve a year off work without pay.

Don't forget the politics. Pro-sport-capitalism is entirely dependent upon having a formal exemption from anti-trust laws, which is a favor purchased from Congress. Just another example of crony capitalism buying political favor in order to create increased profit.

Take that exemption away, let actual market rules determine profits and most of the profits will go out the window.

[Americano]

Don't forget the politics. Pro-sport-capitalism is entirely dependent upon having a formal exemption from anti-trust laws, which is a favor purchased from Congress. Just another example of crony capitalism buying political favor in order to create increased profit.

Take that exemption away, let actual market rules determine profits and most of the profits will go out the window.

Agreed. Which brings to mind depreciation regarding retirement benefits. The asset/player (just like cattle) is depreciated over contract life and then a gain or loss declared on sale (released, trade, retirement). Why would owners want to contribute retirement funds to a non-performing asset? They should be played for as many games as they're good for during the contract period.

[Michael]

Agreed. Which brings to mind depreciation regarding retirement benefits. The asset/player (just like cattle) is depreciated over contract life and then a gain or loss declared on sale (released, trade, retirement). Why would owners want to contribute retirement funds to a non-performing asset? They should be played for as many games as they're good for during the contract period.

But if the business/competition/profit model the owners are using is artificial (based on a purchased favor from Congress), then what is the problem if the players use a union to seek to maximize their share of the profits?

Looks like two groups using conflicting legalistic entities to maximize their own gains. I don't see any grounds for favoring one over the other at all.

A real 'free market' wouldn't tolerate either the owner's collusion or the player's union. Both are dependent upon governmental favor for their anti-market positions.

[Tom Palven]

Regardless of fan emotion spectator sports are all about money, nothing else. If the union/players are stupid enough to ignore owner return on capital requirements they deserve a year off work without pay.

Unions suck, but the owners are no bargain, either. In 1995 the taxpayers of Jacksonville, FL layed out $121 million of capital to build Jaguar Stadium, now EverBank Stadium. Then in 2003 they financed another 47 million in renovations. This is probably pretty typical. Needless to say, Jacksonville is deeply in debt.

[Americano]

Unions suck, but the owners are no bargain, either. In 1995 the taxpayers of Jacksonville, FL layed out $121 million of capital to build Jaguar Stadium, now EverBank Stadium. Then in 2003 they financed another 47 million in renovations. This is probably pretty typical. Needless to say, Jacksonville is deeply in debt.

Very typical. For a classic, take a look look at how his father had the good old boys set Bush43 up with a personal fortune based on public debt.

Source (http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#hypocrisy) (deal #3)

[Tom Palven]

Very typical. For a classic, take a look look at how his father had the good old boys set Bush43 up with a personal fortune based on public debt.

Source (http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#hypocrisy) (deal #3)

The guy seriously deserves to be rendered to Morocco for torture.

[Americano]

The guy seriously deserves to be rendered to Morocco for torture.

Read my sig line. The US general public would sell its children to promote most major spectator sports (they have with stadium bond issues). It is their televised circus with fast food being the bread. Owners and union reps fully understand and exploit the concept.

[Tom Palven]

Read my sig line. The US general public would sell its children to promote most major spectator sports (they have with stadium bond issues). It is their televised circus with fast food being the bread. Owners and union reps fully understand and exploit the concept.

Yes, there's truth in the much overused quip "We have met the enemy, and it is us."