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dattaswami
Mar 10th 2011, 03:15 AM
The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible


The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable. The absolute God comes in human form to give you the experience of His existence, in absence of which, you may deny the very existence of the absolute God and may become atheist (Astityeva….Veda). The identification of the human form in which the absolute God exists is the knowledge of God (Brahma Jnanam or Brahma Vidya).

The experience of the existence of the absolute God does not reveal any trace of the nature of the absolute God and hence God is always unimaginable. The only information about the absolute God is that God exists. “Aum Tat Sat” means that God exists and no more information about God is available. The word Tat means that God is beyond your imagination. The word Aum denotes that God is the creator, ruler and destroyer of this world. These three adjectives indicate the works (Creation, rule and destruction) of God only and not the nature of the God. This is called as the information about the existence only (Sanmatra vada). God comes in human form, which is characterized by the awareness or chit.



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Michael
Mar 10th 2011, 07:59 PM
[FONT=Tahoma] The absolute knowledge of the absolute God is impossible because the absolute God is unimaginable.
This is interesting because of the epistemology.

According to epistemology, it is held that absolute knowledge is impossible without God. If you are saying that absolute knowledge of God is by definition impossible, then the rational conclusion is that God is absolutely impossible.

dattaswami
Mar 11th 2011, 12:04 AM
This is interesting because of the epistemology.

According to epistemology, it is held that absolute knowledge is impossible without God. If you are saying that absolute knowledge of God is by definition impossible, then the rational conclusion is that God is absolutely impossible.

God is the absolute reality hence invisible

The unimaginable concept of God is not from the side of God. It is only from your side since it is your defect. Your imagination cannot transcend the dimensions of space to understand God, who is beyond space, being the creator of space.
God is the absolute reality and the space along with consequent creation is a relative reality. This point keeps God beyond space. This point cannot be sacrificed because the creation including space can be possible and under the full control of God only, if God alone is the absolute reality. If both God and creation are absolute realities, the control of God on creation becomes impossible.

If both are absolute realities, you can see God in the space itself. But, there cannot be two absolute realities. Absolute reality can be one only. Otherwise, there is no possibility of creation. The concept of creation comes into the picture only when one absolute reality exists and creates the relative reality.
A real rope cannot create a real snake. A real rope can create a false snake as an illusion. Therefore, to see the absolute God, you have to make the world as another absolute reality and in such case the creation becomes impossible. All this is the technical difficulty in the process of creation and hence it is inevitable. If you understand this analysis, you will not mistake God as sadist troubling you by hiding Himself. All this analysis is given by Shankara.
[All these information are regarding the absolute God, but such God comes in human form to allow us to see Him, through the human incarnation]

Michael
Mar 11th 2011, 06:38 PM
God is the absolute reality hence invisible
So reality is proved by being unseen and unmeasurable?

The unimaginable concept of God is not from the side of God. It is only from your side since it is your defect.
That's very good!

Those who fail to believe in God are defective human beings.

And that reveals the hatred of human beings that appears to be the driving force of your religion and universal spiritualism.

[FONT=Times New Roman][All these information are regarding the absolute God, but such God comes in human form to allow us to see Him, through the human incarnation]
I thought you said he was invisible? Now some people are "allowed" to see him? That sounds rather confusing, or rather, duplicitous.

dattaswami
Mar 11th 2011, 08:40 PM
So reality is proved by being unseen and unmeasurable?


That's very good!

Those who fail to believe in God are defective human beings.

And that reveals the hatred of human beings that appears to be the driving force of your religion and universal spiritualism.


I thought you said he was invisible? Now some people are "allowed" to see him? That sounds rather confusing, or rather, duplicitous.
Even believers do not see God. God is the creator of this entire universe.

If you want to see God in His original state (abosulte God) with no universe, in such case you also will disappear since universe will not be there. Therefore you can see only a mediated God. Therefore God comes in human form and you can meet Him here on earth.