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MeMyselfAndI
Sep 15th 2010, 05:13 PM
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Jens Stoltenberg (left) and Dmitry Medvedev in Murmansk after signing a treaty ending a border dispute over the Barents Sea. Photograph: Mikhail Klimentyev/EPA
(http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/russia)
Russia (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/russia) and Norway (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/norway) today ended a bitter 40-year dispute over their maritime borders and signed a treaty that will allow for new oil (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/oil) and gas (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/gas) exploration in the Arctic (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/arctic) region.
The agreement lays to rest a long-running Soviet-era row over the Barents Sea. Both countries claimed a 175,000 sq km (67,567 sq mile) zone, about half the size of Germany, situated north of Russia's Kola Peninsula and the Norwegian coast. The treaty divides the disputed area equally between the two countries.
The dispute flared up in the 1970s and was initially about fish. But the area is now thought to be not only rich in fishing but also in oil and gas, with proven petroleum reserves on both the Russia and Norwegian sides.
Russia's president, Dmitry Medvedev, and Norway's prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, signed the treaty today in the Russian city of Murmansk, north of the Arctic circle and not far from the Norwegian border.
With the five Arctic powers - Russia, the US, Canada, Denmark and Norway - scrambling to file territorial claims over the Arctic, Medvedev hailed the agreement as a "constructive" model of how rival Arctic nations should settle their differences. He also warned Nato not to "exacerbate" its presence in the region.
"This is a practical illustration of the principle that all disputes in the Arctic must be tackled by the Arctic nations themselves by way of talks and on the basis of international law," a Kremlin source told the Russian news agency Interfax.
Under existing rules states have exclusive economic rights up to 200 miles from their shores. But they can claim even more if they can demonstrate that their continental shelf extends beyond this limit. In 2007 Russia planted a flag at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/aug/03/russia.oil) in support of its claim that it was entitled to a much bigger chunk of the Arctic.
The gesture triggered a series of furious counter-claims by Canada and Denmark that their territory is continuous with the Lomonosov ridge, an underwater ridge in the Arctic Ocean. The competition is driven by estimates that the Arctic could hold 13% of the world's remaining oil deposits and 30% of its gas reserves, not to mention precious metals.
Today one Arctic expert said climate change (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/climate-change) would make the extraction of oil and gas from the Arctic much easier. "In the future it will be more acceptable. It [extraction] isn't so difficult," Professor Anatoly Kolodkin, the president of the International Maritime Law Association told the Guardian.
Kolodkin denied accusations that Russia was trying to "grab" Arctic territory and said the Kremlin was a signatory to the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which decides all Arctic claims. "As Mr [Vladimir] Putin emphasised we are not going to take something unilaterally. We will only act in accordance with international procedures," he said.
Two years ago Russia's security council identified the Arctic as an important "strategic resource" to be exploited – but also said its ecological system should be preserved. Putin, Russia's prime minister, is hosting an international conference on the future of the Arctic in Moscow next week.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/15/russia-norway-arctic-border-dispute

Michael
Sep 15th 2010, 08:11 PM
That is wonderful news. :)

Good to see an old border dispute get resolved amicably - especially one between Russia and a Western European country. :D

Though, I half-suspect that Russia kept up that dispute for so many years just for Cold War purposes. Once the Cold War is ended, the 'political need' for continuing the dispute ended. No doubt the possibilities for oil/gas would play into that as well.

Btw, it is surprising that both Putin and Medvedev are both so 'short' by Western standards - especially for politicians who tend to be taller than average. Though, to be fair, I do believe the Norwegians are probably second only to the Dutch for being the tallest people in Europe.

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 15th 2010, 09:05 PM
That is wonderful news. :)

Good to see an old border dispute get resolved amicably - especially one between Russia and a Western European country. :D

Though, I half-suspect that Russia kept up that dispute for so many years just for Cold War purposes. Once the Cold War is ended, the 'political need' for continuing the dispute ended. No doubt the possibilities for oil/gas would play into that as well.

Btw, it is surprising that both Putin and Medvedev are both so 'short' by Western standards - especially for politicians who tend to be taller than average. Though, to be fair, I do believe the Norwegians are probably second only to the Dutch for being the tallest people in Europe.

There will be many disputes yet about the Arctic and the Far North. So much wealth under that ice that is now melting away. Oil, minerals, shipping routes, fishing and whaling possibly. It's amazing. It will be a major point of contention. Not just only Northern countries either. I actually see China and Japan try to fight for a share...

Greendruid
Sep 16th 2010, 01:57 AM
There will be many disputes yet about the Arctic and the Far North. So much wealth under that ice that is now melting away. Oil, minerals, shipping routes, fishing and whaling possibly. It's amazing. It will be a major point of contention. Not just only Northern countries either. I actually see China and Japan try to fight for a share...

Yes, the latter two are particularly puzzling in this regard. Ocean territories are not traditionally part of sovereign control and this issue is going to take a lot of hashing out of details. Our own Prime Minister is getting a little overly serious about this issue I think especially considering how underdeveloped Canada's north really is in comparison with places like Norway, Russia and Finland.

Michael
Sep 16th 2010, 10:28 AM
Yes, the latter two are particularly puzzling in this regard. Ocean territories are not traditionally part of sovereign control and this issue is going to take a lot of hashing out of details. Our own Prime Minister is getting a little overly serious about this issue I think especially considering how underdeveloped Canada's north really is in comparison with places like Norway, Russia and Finland.
I dispute the assertion that Canada is getting overly serious about the issue. Indeed, I'd take the opposite tack. The real push for increasing Canada's actual presence in the Arctic has been along standing Liberal party policy. If the Liberals are not in power in Ottawa, that means Canada is retreating from the Arctic in actuality.

The present PM seems to like to use the Arctic for photo-ops to pretend he's pushing the issue, but that's about it.

(It is always easy to discern the policy differences between Canada's Conservative party and the Liberal party - any policy that enhances Canada is a Liberal party policy - policies that enhances US interests are Conservative party policies. The Arctic is a good example since any Canadian initiative up there annoys the USA so therefore, Conservatives won't do that and just play 'photo-op' games instead to fool the electorate because Arctic sovereignty is very popular with the voters - and very unpopular with the US military).

The proposed purchase of the $16 billion JSF program fits this model perfectly as well (bad decision for Canada that serves only US military interests - thus it is a Conservative party priority).

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 16th 2010, 11:12 AM
Our own Prime Minister is getting a little overly serious about this issue I think especially considering how underdeveloped Canada's north really is in comparison with places like Norway, Russia and Finland.

Noway and Finland, perhaps. As far as Russia... Depends. Very much depends.

Sure big cities like Murmansk or Arkhangelsk are doing okay. And Salekhard, the natural gas capital. But, as far as how people live, a comparison.

Russian North
http://www.thelongridersguild.com/yakut_horseman_3.jpg
Yakut horseman

http://www.thelongridersguild.com/mikael_2_yakut_rathunters.jpg
2 Yakut hunters and some tourist named Mikael (I don't know, found it on Google)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/35-keti.jpg
A Keti family

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/russia421.jpg
A Chukchi family

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Nenets.jpg
A Nenents family

http://www.sami.uit.no/boreas/grafikk/chum.jpg
Nenets nomad camp with mjak (tent) dwellings

http://www.kamchatka-sun.ru/photo/hires/native_family.gifEvenian children

http://ecovoice.ru/uploads/images/7/4/e/7/8/99d9c46cf2.gifEvenian raindeer herdsman

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_RgsK1Nz-7QQ/Rt1w0d983RI/AAAAAAAAAMk/C17fy-I722k/DSC00087.JPGKoryak shaman and dancers

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Komi_peoples.jpgKomi women and girls

And of course my people

http://img0.custompublish.com/getfile.php/1298516.900.yxvefaequx/Pomors%5B1%5D.jpgPomors. That thing the man in blue shirt is holding is not a giant screw driver, by the way, that is a Pomor whaling spear.

It is true, Russian government develops the North. But it develops oil platforms, diamond mines, etc, not people who live there. The native Northern population still maintains its traditional way of life, live like they have 100 or 200 years ago. Sad, but, they like it that way too. You know, recently, they tried an experiment: built a modern cottage village, nice houses, wooden fences, plumbing, etc, on the Chukotka-Kamchatka border. Settled 200 Chukchi and Koryak families there. In a week, the fences were broken into pieces for firewood; and the families were setting up Iglloos or Yurts in the yards, and living there. They did not feel comfortable in the houses, did not feel at home. Sometimes, I think, better to leave people alone and let them live as they wish. :)

Greendruid
Sep 16th 2010, 09:54 PM
I wouldn't say then that the examples you give represent an undeveloped north for Russia. To the average Muscovite these folks probably like look quaint holdovers from a by-gone era. However, if this is the way they enjoy living they should continue such. It is certainly a more sustainable and eco-friendly way to live than burning oil and wearing polyester.

JHC
Sep 17th 2010, 06:06 AM
Ugh, those pictures make me heartsick. I am worried that the thawing of the arctic will lead to hegemony.