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MeMyselfAndI
Sep 7th 2010, 08:57 PM
In Rostov, there is a new radical group, which attacks... Russians. They beat up those they catch drunk on the street.

Recently, in Rostov-on-Don, a group of 15-20 people, shouting "Russians do not drink!" attacked several young people near the supermarket "Sunshine", at the corner of the Voroshilov and Suvorov streets. As a result of the fight, some five or six people were injured.

According to one of the witnesses of the recent incident, the late-night fight started with lightning speed. Near the supermarket "Sunshine" were some young men. They drank. Who - beer, who - popular with young people alcoholic cocktails. Zhanna herself was waiting for her boyfriend. Suddenly a bunch of guys with medical masks on their faces came out of nowhere. They literally flew into those who stood near the store. A few customers from the "Sunshine" took their share of blows as well.

"They beat all indiscriminately - those who drank cocktails and beer, and who just came out of the supermarket. I was in the midst of the fight. With cries of "Russians do not drink!" the mob of rather small youths attacked one person, then another - frowns Zhanna from unpleasant memories. - "The only thing that I managed to see, is that the "bandits" were in medical masks and their hair was medium length, not short [meaning not skinheads]. They were dressed quite normally: jeans, T-shirts. Their T-shirts though were covered in a traditional Slavic vyaz sewing pattern. Knives or other weapons from them, I never saw, but had noticed the infamous "rosettes" of a broken glass bottle." Zhanna added that in appearance the attackers were aged between 14 and 18 years. The attackers beat brutally, knocked people down and then kicked them until they stopped moving.

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One of the victims was Zhanna's boyfriend, who, quite unexpectedly, had became a witness, a participant in the brawl, and a victim, at once.

"It so happened that I forgot my backpack in my boss' car. The boss with my colleague came to the "Sunshine" at the time when everything just started. I walked away from the crowd to the boss' car, and saw on the other side a group of people in masks - recalls the young man, who asked not to release his name. - At first I thought they were ordinary kids, obviously, flash mob. But in the next moment this group of people crossed the road and burst into the crowd. I still do not understand what was happening, but saw that Zhanna was directly in the center of it, decided to pull her out. Immediately, as they say, it "flew" to me, and I did not even see where from. First, someone hit me, my colleague hit him on his head with the beer bottle, he took off his mask and fled. Two others wanted to go at him, but he is a big, strong fellow, so they moved on to me. Then the bulk of these "nice" guys started slowly peel from the crowd and move in my direction. I was pushed down, kicked a few times... and then they fled down Sokolova street."


He did not go to work today, lying in bed, recovering. He says, there is no serious damage, but still face bruised and very sore muscles, because at the time of the beating he desperately tried to protect himself.

And in Rostov meanwhile rumors float about some kind of radical youth organization, which not only grafitees up facades with "enough to drink" and "A Russian does not drink!", but now physically goes after Rostov "yaguarschiki"(fans of low-alcohol beverages). Here's what a witness wrote of a similar event, in the Rostov municipal community blog: "In August, my husband and I are returning home from guesting, at about midnight. Selmash, near the cinema "Jubileiny". Near the apartment house - a table with benches. At the table, two guys drinking beer. Quietly, without fuss. Suddenly, from the sidewalk a group turned toward them - five or six young men. Attacked in outright silence. Without any "bazaar" [noize/talk]. Beat so hard that the boys went down to the ground in a few seconds. Kicked. I began to scream. Screamed that I will call the police. Shouted: "For what? Who are you?" One said: "We are - athletes. And you, a sheep, keep drinking your booze!". And left. Men covered in blood crawled around on the ground. I am sure that today it can happen with every beer lover. Note." And they say that the fight near "Sunshine" smoothly migrated from the supermarket "Apex" (corner of Bolshaya Sadovaya and Voroshilov). Youth constantly loiters there. According to several eyewitnesses, the fight at "Sunshine" was filmed on a mobile phone camera by one of the attackers.

http://161.ru/news/315774.html

I love my people. Violence is a solution to all problems :D

Michael
Sep 8th 2010, 09:48 AM
http://161.ru/news/315774.html

I love my people. Violence is a solution to all problems :D

The only thing that Russia is more famous for than routine violence is drinking! :lol:

Americano
Sep 8th 2010, 10:16 AM
http://161.ru/news/315774.html

I love my people. Violence is a solution to all problems :D

Doesn't anyone carry firearms?

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 8th 2010, 05:53 PM
The only thing that Russia is more famous for than routine violence is drinking! :lol:

Yes :)

Doesn't anyone carry firearms?

Many people in Moscow and Saint Petersburg now own non-lethal 'traumatic' self-defense weapons like the "Osa" ("Wasp") pistol:
http://www.ordvor.com/goods/products_pictures/14901.jpg
It fires 4 types of ammunition: rubber bullet; flash-bang round (blinds and deafens opponent); tear gas round; and rubber bullet with electrodes, like a Taser but more effective. Very popular among women, actually, because it is so small, easily hides in a pocket or purse.

For men, the TT Leader (based on the TT-33 combat pistol) is the weapon of choice:
http://www.shooting-ua.com/dop_arhiv/image_arm/Lider2.jpg
In rural areas, many people own big guns. Certainly Cossacks, whom I mentioned before:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs181.snc4/37392_443918241557_721246557_6321996_8225432_n.jpg

In regions such as Karelia and Siberia, a lot of people hunt, so many own big guns:
http://www.navolge.ru/data/objects/20/Stepanov.jpg
http://talks.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/000916/916102.jpg

Though not all who hunt like guns. The Buryat, in Siberia, have always, and probably will always, use their traditional bow and arrow:
http://www.ratanews.ru/user_images/file4442.jpghttp://pressa.irk.ru/images/editions/op/2007/n35/35-06-01.jpg
Now you know why Russia's Olympic Archery team is all-Buryat lol Many Russian troops fell to those arrows during the Conquest of Siberia, 500 years ago...

Americano
Sep 8th 2010, 06:27 PM
Yes :)



Many people in Moscow and Saint Petersburg now own non-lethal 'traumatic' self-defense weapons like the "Osa" ("Wasp") pistol:
http://www.ordvor.com/goods/products_pictures/14901.jpg
It fires 4 types of ammunition: rubber bullet; flash-bang round (blinds and deafens opponent); tear gas round; and rubber bullet with electrodes, like a Taser but more effective. Very popular among women, actually, because it is so small, easily hides in a pocket or purse.

For men, the TT Leader (based on the TT-33 combat pistol) is the weapon of choice:
http://www.shooting-ua.com/dop_arhiv/image_arm/Lider2.jpg


I'm very familiar with the Makarov TT-33. What I don't understand is if gangs, regardless of ideology, are physically harming people why more people aren't armed with non-lethal or lethal weapons.

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 8th 2010, 06:33 PM
I'm very familiar with the Makarov TT-33. What I don't understand is if gangs, regardless of ideology, are physically harming people why more people aren't armed with non-lethal or lethal weapons.

Not all can afford them, I guess... Though I disagree, I think too many carry these around, if anything. Just recently here in Moscow, two drivers got into a quarrel over a parking spot, one pulled out a pneumatic gun, injured 5 people.

Michael
Sep 8th 2010, 06:41 PM
I'm very familiar with the Makarov TT-33. What I don't understand is if gangs, regardless of ideology, are physically harming people why more people aren't armed with non-lethal or lethal weapons.

50% of the murders in Toronto are gang-related. 95% of those victims are also gang members.

If one has nothing to do with gangbangers, then the murder rate in Toronto has fallen over the years and presents very little danger to anyone except fellow gangmembers in Jamacian-dominated neighborhoods.

The Drunk Guy
Sep 8th 2010, 07:30 PM
Not all can afford them, I guess... Though I disagree, I think too many carry these around, if anything. Just recently here in Moscow, two drivers got into a quarrel over a parking spot, one pulled out a pneumatic gun, injured 5 people.
That's just poor training. I would have killed them all. :lol:

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 10th 2010, 01:52 PM
That's just poor training. I would have killed them all. :lol:

Good for you. But, still, this is not what I want in my city, it's just dangerous. Just recently was another incident, in the Metro, two Slavic boys fought with two from Dagestan. I don't want to say it was ethnic fight, there is no proof yet. But, I am pretty sure it was though. Anyway, someone, in the fight, fired a pneumatic pistol. 3 people injured on the train.

Personally, I admit, I do carry a IZH-79-9T "Makarych" for protection, because I often have to walk home in late hours, and in Moscow that can be dangerous if you are unarmed.

http://nobninsk.ru/files/picsStatji/makarych100Dj.png

It is based on Makarov PM, but fires tear gas or rubber bullets. Though it can be adjusted for full combat rounds. I want to, but it's illegal.

Michael
Sep 10th 2010, 05:42 PM
Good for you. But, still, this is not what I want in my city, it's just dangerous. Just recently was another incident, in the Metro, two Slavic boys fought with two from Dagestan. I don't want to say it was ethnic fight, there is no proof yet. But, I am pretty sure it was though. Anyway, someone, in the fight, fired a pneumatic pistol. 3 people injured on the train.
Just to note the difference between Moscow and Toronto, if a knife or gun was pulled on a subway car in Toronto, you can pretty much guarentee the whole subway system would shut down immediately and SWAT teams will be swarming all over the place within a couple of minutes. ;)

Even a fake gun will bring that result.

Americano
Sep 11th 2010, 09:11 AM
Good for you. But, still, this is not what I want in my city, it's just dangerous. Just recently was another incident, in the Metro, two Slavic boys fought with two from Dagestan. I don't want to say it was ethnic fight, there is no proof yet. But, I am pretty sure it was though. Anyway, someone, in the fight, fired a pneumatic pistol. 3 people injured on the train.

Personally, I admit, I do carry a IZH-79-9T "Makarych" for protection, because I often have to walk home in late hours, and in Moscow that can be dangerous if you are unarmed.

http://nobninsk.ru/files/picsStatji/makarych100Dj.png

It is based on Makarov PM, but fires tear gas or rubber bullets. Though it can be adjusted for full combat rounds. I want to, but it's illegal.

The Walther PP knockoff.

Americano
Sep 11th 2010, 01:03 PM
http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/16780/2843886970083629245S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2843886970083629245lSFgLG)

I carry a Kel-Tec .380 at all times. Small enough that no holster is required; the barrel and trigger guard fit in the watch pocket of Levi pants. Real bullets.

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 11th 2010, 11:28 PM
Just to note the difference between Moscow and Toronto, if a knife or gun was pulled on a subway car in Toronto, you can pretty much guarentee the whole subway system would shut down immediately and SWAT teams will be swarming all over the place within a couple of minutes. ;)

Even a fake gun will bring that result.

Yes... It has, sadly, become too common here these days. I've seen three guys beating up a fourth behind a bar, he is on the ground, they are kicking and stomping him; and around them people walk to work, shopping, whatever, the guy is screaming for help, nobody pays any attention. This is near a big Metro station, lots of people moving about, large crowds. You could be getting killed in this city and everyone will just ignore it. That is the rule here, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/16780/2843886970083629245S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2843886970083629245lSFgLG)

I carry a Kel-Tec .380 at all times. Small enough that no holster is required; the barrel and trigger guard fit in the watch pocket of Levi pants. Real bullets.

Nice. I have a OC-33 'Pernach' that I carry at work (casino security):
http://diversant.h1.ru/guns/pistol/pic/oc23.jpg
New and improved TT-33, basically. It is very interesting, two private companies, our 'Legion' and the 'Vityaz' ('Knight') in Saint Petersburg have these new guns in arsenal, even though by law these are only available to FSB/KGB personnel, exclusively! :D I think my bosses are paying someone off for our nice new toys. lol But, as I said, unless you are a boss yourself, you have to just MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. :)

Americano
Sep 13th 2010, 01:06 PM
Yes... It has, sadly, become too common here these days. I've seen three guys beating up a fourth behind a bar, he is on the ground, they are kicking and stomping him; and around them people walk to work, shopping, whatever, the guy is screaming for help, nobody pays any attention. This is near a big Metro station, lots of people moving about, large crowds. You could be getting killed in this city and everyone will just ignore it. That is the rule here, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.



Nice. I have a OC-33 'Pernach' that I carry at work (casino security):
http://diversant.h1.ru/guns/pistol/pic/oc23.jpg
New and improved TT-33, basically. It is very interesting, two private companies, our 'Legion' and the 'Vityaz' ('Knight') in Saint Petersburg have these new guns in arsenal, even though by law these are only available to FSB/KGB personnel, exclusively! :D I think my bosses are paying someone off for our nice new toys. lol But, as I said, unless you are a boss yourself, you have to just MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. :)

No wonder since the OTs-33 has selective fire including full automatic.

MeMyselfAndI
Sep 13th 2010, 01:51 PM
No wonder since the OTs-33 has selective fire including full automatic.

Well, I learned today, from a colleague, that our boss is himself former KGB. That would explain quite a lot, actually.