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The Drunk Girl
Aug 9th 2010, 11:17 AM
Physician-assisted suicide (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=24418): The voluntary (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18376) termination of one's own life by administration of a lethal (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=4137) substance with the direct or indirect assistance of a physician. Physician-assisted suicide is the practice of providing a competent patient with a prescription (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=11896) for medication (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=21177) for the patient to use with the primary intention of ending his or her own life.
In the US, only the State of Oregon permits physician-assisted suicide.



The Oregon Death with Dignity Act allows terminally ill state residents to receive prescriptions for self-administered lethal medications from their physicians. It does not permit euthanasia (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=7365), in which a physician or other person directly administers a medication to a patient in order to end his or her life. The Oregon law allows adults with terminal diseases who are likely to die within 6 months to obtain lethal doses of drugs from their doctors. A relatively very small number of people sought lethal drugs under the law and even fewer people who actually used them. Many patients have said that what they want most is a choice about how their lives will end, "a finger on the remote control, as it were."


Physician-assisted suicide has its proponents and its opponents. Among the opponents are some physicians who believe it violates the fundamental tenet of medicine and believe that doctors should not assist in suicides because to do so is incompatible with the doctor's role as a healer. Physician-assisted suicide is often abbreviated PAS. It is called doctor-assisted suicide in the UK.


Source (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=32841)

At the assisted living facility I currently work at, one of the residents has Lou Gehrig's Disease or ALS (https://health.google.com/health/ref/Amyotrophic+lateral+sclerosis). The staff has to help her with range of motion 2-3 times a day, to help "prevent" any stiffening of her joints and muscles. She has a contraption screwed to the table that helps her to feed herself. The resident places her arm in the device and with what muscle control she has left, is able to move her arm and hand close enough to her mouth so she is able to eat.

The woman is a former LPN and although I wouldn't think she would want to go the route of a physician assisted suicide, she has made it clear that she doesn't want to suffer and be on life support, once her body reaches that stage of the disease. In her words, "what kind of life is that just laying there?"

Mainly, I am just interested in seeing what other people's thoughts are on this topic. Personally, I would hate to see anyone put in a position like this, but that isn't reality. Really shitty things tend to happen in life.

Legal status of assisted suicide in the US (http://www.nightingalealliance.org/pdf/state_grid.pdf)

Assisted suicide laws around the world (http://www.assistedsuicide.org/suicide_laws.html)

Michael
Aug 9th 2010, 11:44 AM
I'm a strong supporter of 'dying with dignity' on principle.

http://www.compassionandchoices.org/hemlock

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemlock_Society

I'd like to support the idea of 'assisted suicide' but I recognize that is a legal minefield fraught with almost insoluable difficulties and complications.

Americano
Aug 9th 2010, 11:49 AM
I live in Oregon, which as your link shows, has the only physician assisted suicide legislation in the US.

Personally I agree with it. If my quality of life deteriorates to a point where morphine can no longer alleviate pain and suffering, I'll opt for assistance in checking out. It should be my choice.

The Drunk Guy
Aug 9th 2010, 05:51 PM
To quote a very recent court ruling (http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/Prop-8-Ruling-FINAL), "'Moral disapproval, without any other asserted state interest,' has never been a rational basis for legislation."

Americano
Aug 9th 2010, 07:05 PM
To quote a very recent court ruling (http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/Prop-8-Ruling-FINAL), "'Moral disapproval, without any other asserted state interest,' has never been a rational basis for legislation."

So true, be it birth, life or death.

Michael
Aug 9th 2010, 07:18 PM
To quote a very recent court ruling (http://www.scribd.com/doc/35374462/Prop-8-Ruling-FINAL), "'Moral disapproval, without any other asserted state interest,' has never been a rational basis for legislation."

Indeed. Morality alone is insufficient basis for legislation.

(this does not contradict my long standing assertion that legislation is morality)

Americano
Aug 9th 2010, 07:21 PM
Indeed. Morality alone is insufficient basis for legislation.

(this does not contradict my long standing assertion that legislation is morality)

What else could it be but morality?

MeMyselfAndI
Aug 9th 2010, 10:12 PM
Allow it, but only for good reason: horrible pain and suffering. If a person has some kind of cancer or something that is untreatable and uncurable, is slowly eating them from the inside, they are in excruciating pain; sure give them an easy way out. But this system should not be abused.

Sometimes a person just feels like life is bad, there is no more reason to live, and he just wants to end it all. That's not a good reason. My neighbor, a Metro train driver, got desperate, his salary was low, he thought he was a failure, so he got drunk, took his huge hunting two-barrel from the wall and blew his own brains out. Thought, I guess, he was doing his family good. Except all he did was left his wife to raise two little boys all on her own. It is selfish and wrong.

Non Sequitur
Aug 9th 2010, 10:20 PM
Allow it, but only for good reason: horrible pain and suffering. If a person has some kind of cancer or something that is untreatable and uncurable, is slowly eating them from the inside, they are in excruciating pain; sure give them an easy way out. But this system should not be abused.

Sometimes a person just feels like life is bad, there is no more reason to live, and he just wants to end it all. That's not a good reason. My neighbor, a Metro train driver, got desperate, his salary was low, he thought he was a failure, so he got drunk, took his huge hunting two-barrel from the wall and blew his own brains out. Thought, I guess, he was doing his family good. Except all he did was left his wife to raise two little boys all on her own. It is selfish and wrong.

I guess the issue with that standard is who decides what is a good reason and what isn't? The courts? the Hospital? the Family?

MeMyselfAndI
Aug 9th 2010, 10:31 PM
I guess the issue with that standard is who decides what is a good reason and what isn't? The courts? the Hospital? the Family?

If it is a medical issue, which in my view is the only acceptable reason, then - doctors, professionals. If determined that there is no cure, and patient is suffering inhumanely, then if they choose, ok.

Michael
Aug 10th 2010, 08:59 AM
If it is a medical issue, which in my view is the only acceptable reason, then - doctors, professionals. If determined that there is no cure, and patient is suffering inhumanely, then if they choose, ok.
This is completely unacceptable to us liberty loving westerners.

No doctor or professional is qualified to choose if I ought to live or die. Only I can do that.

Americano
Aug 10th 2010, 11:18 AM
This is completely unacceptable to us liberty loving westerners.

No doctor or professional is qualified to choose if I ought to live or die. Only I can do that.

If you're in the US with the exception of Oregon, legislation says only your mythical God can make that choice.

Michael
Aug 10th 2010, 11:25 AM
If you're in the US with the exception of Oregon, legislation says only your mythical God can make that choice.

That mythical God can make any mythical choices he wants. That's none of my business and beyond my understanding or comprehension - therefore irrelevant to me.

Americano
Aug 10th 2010, 11:27 AM
That mythical God can make any mythical choices he wants. That's none of my business and beyond my understanding or comprehension - therefore irrelevant to me.

But not irrelevant to US legislators.

Margot
Aug 10th 2010, 04:01 PM
I remember listening to an NPR story about this a couple of months ago. They were interviewing the family of a woman who had been denied Physician-assisted suicide drugs because she was "distraught" and not able to weigh the consequences. I think that's when the issue was solidified for me.

Fuck them. The situation is this: she's going to die, or she's going to die. One way gives her a sense of autonomy, of control, of power. The other forces her into a powerless position, one in which her body has turned against her, and everyone else has (seemingly) turned against her. This second way, the way which disallowed those drugs, was the worst thing I could imagine.

Terminally ill is terminally ill. That's a one-way street, but if I have to drive it, I want to be the one adjusting the cruise control.

Zarquon
Aug 10th 2010, 04:16 PM
I remember listening to an NPR story about this a couple of months ago. They were interviewing the family of a woman who had been denied Physician-assisted suicide drugs because she was "distraught" and not able to weigh the consequences. I think that's when the issue was solidified for me.

Fuck them. The situation is this: she's going to die, or she's going to die. One way gives her a sense of autonomy, of control, of power. The other forces her into a powerless position, one in which her body has turned against her, and everyone else has (seemingly) turned against her. This second way, the way which disallowed those drugs, was the worst thing I could imagine.

Terminally ill is terminally ill. That's a one-way street, but if I have to drive it, I want to be the one adjusting the cruise control.
Agreed; and to quote Jack Kevorkian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kevorkian), everyone is terminal (i.e. mortal/going to die).