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MeMyselfAndI
May 25th 2010, 05:25 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/4605.html

Father killed son over false accusation

In the Kemerovo region a man made murdered his own young son in a gruesome fashion. After a teacher accused the boy of stealing her mobile phone, the father of three whipped the boy to death.

The terrible infanticide took place in the Belovo area. The alleged perpetrator, Nikolai Sinitsyn (all names changed), is in remand prison, wrote Newsru.com.

According to an investigation, the cause of the sadistic killing of seven year old Pasha Sinitsyn was complaint from his teacher. It is still not clear why Ludmila Gurtseva decided that her cell phone was stolen by Pasha, at school. Apparently, she just figured so.

The teacher did not call the parents to the school. She also did not write a statement to the police. Instead, the teacher herself came to the Sinitsyn home.

When the teacher left, Pasha's father had decided to punish him. The boy waswith tears and whimpered in pain, but had not confessed. The next day, did not go to school, because he just could not get up from the terrible pain throughout the body.

The teacher hoped that the phone would be returned to her after the visit, but now, since it was not, she has decided to act against the Sinitsyns more vigorously. At this time, she complained to her son, a policeman.

Now, a guardian of law and order had come to reason with Nikolai Sinitsyn; the officer worked, by the way, on another site. "Nikolai came out to talk to him, he returned all worked up," - remembers the mother of the deceased, Ekaterina Sinitsyna.

Right in the doorway, the head of the family blurted out: "What am I supposed to do, kill him or something now, because of this phone?" The words proved prophetic. The wife calmed her husband down, as well as she could, and then left for work. Meanwhile, the father has again decided to discipline his 'unruly' son. Pasha's older brother, nine year old Sergei Sinitsyn, saw everything that happened.

"Papa asked Pasha: "Where is the phone?", and he said he did not know - says Sergei. - Then, papa began to beat him with a belt from the car. And then my brother went to bed and he died."

Realizing what happened, Nikolai at once called his wife at work and asked her to call an ambulance. "I think Pasha died," - said the sadist. Ekaterina initially thought that her husband was drunk. So she called her friend and asked her to go to their home and see what had happened there. But after some time the woman called back and confirmed the terrible news.

Then, doctors came to the crime scene. What they saw, shocked the experienced medics: the hands, legs, and back of the little kid were covered in continuous bruises. It turned out that the boy was beaten with a car belt. [I assume it means a seat belt or something, I am not sure]

Pasha's teacher, who started the whole mess, did not come to his funeral. This surprised many. Moreover, the teacher did not even apologize for the baseless suspicion, slander against the boy and the pressure on the family.

The child-killer spent the whole day weeping at the tomb, and, after the burial, grabbed a knife and tried to commit suicide. Now, Nikolai Sinitsyn has been arrested and charged under article 111 of the Criminal Code of Russian Federation (deliberate infliction of grievous bodily harm, resulting in the death of the victim).

In addition, the teacher's cell phone has now been found. As it turned out, a fourth-grader had, in fact, stolen it. In addition to the nine-year old older brother Sergei, Pasha also had a younger brother, who is just 5 years old.

So, who has more fault here, the teacher or the dad?

Michael
May 25th 2010, 05:37 PM
http://mignews.com.ua/ru/articles/4605.html



So, who has more fault here, the teacher or the dad?

The father because he committed the violence that caused death. He should be charged with 2nd degree murder (and in this country, he probably would be).

The teacher merely did something stupid or regretable (made a false accusation without any proof). That's an unfortunate, but fairly common failing that is not a crime.

MeMyselfAndI
May 25th 2010, 05:44 PM
The father because he committed the violence that caused death. He should be charged with 2nd degree murder (and in this country, he probably would be).

The teacher merely did something stupid or regretable (made a false accusation without any proof). That's an unfortunate, but fairly common failing that is not a crime.

As an update, the dad has been sentenced to 11 years in a maximum security prison colony. http://www.regions.ru/news/2292150/

And yes, I agree. Although, I think the teacher is partially guilty, for pushing the man over the edge.

Michael
May 26th 2010, 09:48 AM
As an update, the dad has been sentenced to 11 years in a maximum security prison colony. http://www.regions.ru/news/2292150/

And yes, I agree. Although, I think the teacher is partially guilty, for pushing the man over the edge.

I disagree. You can not hold ME responsible for something that YOU do, even if I might have encouraged you to do it. The decision to do it was yours and yours alone.

The Drunk Girl
May 26th 2010, 11:26 AM
I disagree. You can not hold ME responsible for something that YOU do, even if I might have encouraged you to do it. The decision to do it was yours and yours alone.

Poor Charles Manson

Michael
May 26th 2010, 08:37 PM
Poor Charles Manson

Not really. I think Jim Jones (of Jonestown koolaid fame) was equally guilty of a crime, even though he (probably) didn't pour the koolaid down anyone's throat.

Counselling or conspiracy to commit murder is still murder, even if you don't pull the trigger.

Thus, there is a huge difference between the case described in the OP or the Charles Manson case. Charlie Manson's role was hardly similar to the role of the teacher here.

Zarquon
May 27th 2010, 03:18 PM
I disagree. You can not hold ME responsible for something that YOU do, even if I might have encouraged you to do it. The decision to do it was yours and yours alone.
Instigating someone to commit a crime is abetment.

Michael
May 27th 2010, 04:21 PM
Instigating someone to commit a crime is abetment.

Actually no. I believe 'aiding and abetting' is the crime of assisting someone to actually commit a crime (like driving the getaway car).

Conspiracy is the crime of counseling or planning a crime.

MeMyselfAndI
May 27th 2010, 07:00 PM
Actually no. I believe 'aiding and abetting' is the crime of assisting someone to actually commit a crime (like driving the getaway car).

Conspiracy is the crime of counseling or planning a crime.

What about provocation? Here, in Russia, it is, in some cases, a valid statement of defense for even murder.

Michael
May 27th 2010, 08:44 PM
What about provocation? Here, in Russia, it is, in some cases, a valid statement of defense for even murder.

Yes, it can be a defense. But the bar is pretty high because EVERYONE charged with a crime likes to pretend that they are an innocent victim. One needs material evidence of a pattern to establish this defense.

Canada's law is derived from the Common Law which is a 1000 year old tradition. Thus, the system of law evolves every day, with every court case.

The Drunk Guy
May 28th 2010, 09:27 AM
The teacher never said anything about beating the kid. She just asked for her phone. She didn't demand punishment of any sort, but only for the return of her phone. IMHO, she is guilty of poor decision-making and favoritism and nothing more.

Michael
May 28th 2010, 03:09 PM
The teacher never said anything about beating the kid. She just asked for her phone. She didn't demand punishment of any sort, but only for the return of her phone. IMHO, she is guilty of poor decision-making and favoritism and nothing more.

Yes, that's my view on the issue.