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Michael
Feb 24th 2010, 02:13 PM
Copyright & Patent Law

This is a very complex issue and one that exists where capitalism and the public interest intersect. In previous discussions, I've expressed a rather blase attitude to the claim that copyright and patent law serve the public interest. I consider this laughable. I accept copyright and patent law as acceptable only if it serves a public interest.

If there is no public interest served, copyright and/or patent laws are nothing more than legal protections bought and paid for from the state. And we all know that this is a favorite method used by capitalist enterprises to eliminate competition. Eliminating competition is not in the public interest, therefore I hold that this argument has no merit.

Indeed, I'm interested if anyone can make a case for copyright or patent law that doesn't serve a public interest. I think that's nonsense, but I will admit that is the ruling dogma of the policy of copyright and patent laws.

So the question is, what can or ought to be done about this problem? I find it ludicrious that our legal system will not recognize proprietary ownership of all kinds of things, but then invokes the heavy hand of the law to protect proprietary ownership of certain select things (those favored by large multinational corporations) that can be commodified.

For example, I can build a house that looks exactly like the White House. The architect and the builder of the White House have no rights of proprietary ownership over their creation at all. The minute that building was sold, these creators have zero rights at all. So why do we ignore the creative production of architects but invoke the legal system to protect the creative production of music (for example)? That strikes me as entirely arbitrary, though the real difference I suspect lies in the fact that architects are not multinational corporations seeking to profit from artificial limits on production/distribution. Of course artists, photographers and authors are in bed with the multinationals on this one - they too seek to profit by imposing artifical legal limits on production/distribution (for their own private profit).

So why should society bother to protect and enforce private profits for these special interests? What public interest is served here? I don't see any public interest at all. :shrug:

For anyone who is curious, here (http://chronicle.com/article/Learning-From-Culture-Pirates/64294/) is a good article about the history of copyright piracy. The article puts the present issues into a proper historical context.

One fact of the history of copyright and patents that I find is curiously overlooked by almost everyone is the historical fact that the US economy was built by ignoring copyright and patent law. Indeed, the greatest increase in prosperity, production, employment and industry in the USA occured when the USA formally repudiated the notions of all existing copyright and patent laws. That of course changed just as soon as a bunch of American corporations had fat profits from their stolen copyrights that they invoked a new copyright law to protect their copyright theft. On this basis, I find it very hard to take assertions about the moral integrity of copyright/property ownership as anything but self-serving bullshit.

Non Sequitur
Feb 24th 2010, 02:29 PM
So what are you proposing? That Copy right and patent laws shouldn't exist? I would be uncomfortable with that idea just because people deserve credit for their work.

And Yes, US industrial might was largely based of stealing ideas from England.

Americano
Feb 24th 2010, 10:19 PM
So what are you proposing? That Copy right and patent laws shouldn't exist? I would be uncomfortable with that idea just because people deserve credit for their work.

And Yes, US industrial might was largely based of stealing ideas from England.

Gosh, that sounds just like China being complacent about copyrights & patents when the US was disassembling factories for shipment to China.

Actually Americans smuggled looms out of England for copy purposes to avoid design time and cost.

Michael
Feb 25th 2010, 09:49 AM
Gosh, that sounds just like China being complacent about copyrights & patents when the US was disassembling factories for shipment to China.

Actually Americans smuggled looms out of England for copy purposes to avoid design time and cost.

Another typical example is that when Oscar Wilde came to visit the US on a speaking/lecture tour (late 19th century), they presented him with a gift of a leather bound 1st edition copy of one of his own books, published in USA without any permission and/or royalties to Wilde.

Haven't you ever wondered why there are separate copyright titles for all books and movies between UK and USA? That's because USA refused to recognize any patent or copyright that didn't originate in USA. One could legally steal any foreign patent or copyright and be fully protected by US law.

Michael
Feb 25th 2010, 02:00 PM
So what are you proposing? That Copy right and patent laws shouldn't exist? I would be uncomfortable with that idea just because people deserve credit for their work.
I'm not proposing anything. I'm just opening up the subject for discussion by pointing out that present copyright law (specifically) doesn't seem to serve any public utility, nor does it serve the general interest of liberty, nor does it serve the interest of equity.

On that basis, I am moved to question the value of such a policy. I don't like special legal favors being given to a select few and denying those same favors to others. That's arbitrary bullshit and is not proper basis for public policy.

With patent law, my views are slightly different. There I see some public utility is served, so therefore there is some justification for the policy. With patent law, I'd argue the law is flawed in its application, but is generally acceptable. I don't see any redeeming qualities for copyright law.

And Yes, US industrial might was largely based of stealing ideas from England.
Indeed. Which is why Americans have zero authority on the issue to preach about what is morally right. :shrug:

"Do as we say, not as we do" is not an admirable or viable moral command system.