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Michael
Jan 13th 2010, 10:05 PM
In case anyone hasn't heard yet, Haiti has been hit hard with a serious earthquake (7.0 on the Richter scale) causing massive damage. :eek:

Evangeline
Jan 13th 2010, 10:18 PM
100,000 dead.

Probably more. They have no building codes. The houses are not strong. They are all pretty much destroyed.

This, in the poorest country in the western hemisphere already. Poor Haiti.

Evangeline
Jan 13th 2010, 11:27 PM
When horrible disastors happen, the evil scumbags scurry out into the open.

Pat Robertson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nraknWoes&NR=1

Did I mention how much I hate this man?

Zarquon
Jan 14th 2010, 05:03 AM
In case anyone hasn't heard yet, Haiti has been hit hard with a serious earthquake (7.0 on the Richter scale) causing massive damage. :eek:
I thought the Mw (moment-magnitude) scale was used nowadays?

Lily
Jan 14th 2010, 07:35 AM
When horrible disastors happen, the evil scumbags scurry out into the open.

Pat Robertson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nraknWoes&NR=1

Did I mention how much I hate this man?

Keith Olbermann had something to say. He also takes a big swing at Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPoWOw8Jm5w

The Drunk Girl
Jan 14th 2010, 11:26 AM
When horrible disastors happen, the evil scumbags scurry out into the open.

Pat Robertson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nraknWoes&NR=1

Did I mention how much I hate this man?

Now he did say it was a true story, so it has to be true...

What the fuck? A pact with the devil? Where in the hell did he come up with something like that? I guess they left that part out in the history books.

I feel wrong for even had watched that.

Keith Olbermann had something to say. He also takes a big swing at Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPoWOw8Jm5w

:clap:

andrewl
Jan 14th 2010, 11:49 AM
Bring on the disaster capitalists...

Andrew

Michael
Jan 14th 2010, 11:50 AM
What the fuck? A pact with the devil? Where in the hell did he come up with something like that? I guess they left that part out in the history books.
It is an old story that has been bandied about in Christian-extremist-racist circles for well over a century.

Ironically enough, it pops up everytime the US feels the need to invade Haiti again. :shrug:

The Drunk Girl
Jan 14th 2010, 11:57 AM
It is an old story that has been bandied about in Christian-extremist-racist circles for well over a century.

Ironically enough, it pops up everytime the US feels the need to invade Haiti again. :shrug:

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I honestly had never heard of such nonsense before. I guess they shouldn't have bet the devil that they could play the fiddle better than him then

Donkey
Jan 14th 2010, 11:59 AM
Keith Olbermann had something to say. He also takes a big swing at Rush Limbaugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPoWOw8Jm5w
Olbermann is at his best when he is on the attack. Less so when he likes something.

We have an immigration rally/vigil, but we are toning it down, making it a more somber occasion in light of this. We are also going to have a pastor who is a Haitian immigrant lead a prayer.

Americano
Jan 14th 2010, 01:28 PM
It is an old story that has been bandied about in Christian-extremist-racist circles for well over a century.

Ironically enough, it pops up everytime the US feels the need to invade Haiti again. :shrug:

The first US invasion of Haiti was in the 1800s and it would probably take a spreadsheet to count subsequent invasions/occupations.

Americano
Jan 14th 2010, 02:00 PM
We know two Red Cross volunteers, health care field, and found out this am that they've been alerted for immediate mobilization. It seems primary assessment teams are just now getting on the ground in Haiti, so it'll take a few days to identify and organize logistical requirements. That many dead in a relatively small tropical area could have disastrous health care ramifications without immediate burial.

Evangeline
Jan 14th 2010, 05:14 PM
It is an old story that has been bandied about in Christian-extremist-racist circles for well over a century.

Ironically enough, it pops up everytime the US feels the need to invade Haiti again. :shrug:

Do you know the details of the story? I mean did the Haitian people use their voodoo and summon up Satan and orchestrated a deal? Or what?

:shrug::angel::ummm:

Evangeline
Jan 14th 2010, 05:16 PM
We know two Red Cross volunteers, health care field, and found out this am that they've been alerted for immediate mobilization. It seems primary assessment teams are just now getting on the ground in Haiti, so it'll take a few days to identify and organize logistical requirements. That many dead in a relatively small tropical area could have disastrous health care ramifications without immediate burial.

That's what President Clinton said yesterday. We have to get the dead off the street and preserved so they can be identified. God what a tragedy.

Michael
Jan 14th 2010, 10:24 PM
Do you know the details of the story? I mean did the Haitian people use their voodoo and summon up Satan and orchestrated a deal? Or what?

:shrug::angel::ummm:
Apparently.

The upshot was that US ended up with the Louisiana Purchase, so I don't know why any American would object to that. ;)

Robertson is just being selective with his historical memory here. Surprise, surprise! If Haiti really did make that deal, then the USA got in on the same deal when it bought the Louisiana Purchase! :lol:

Americano
Jan 14th 2010, 10:44 PM
That's what President Clinton said yesterday. We have to get the dead off the street and preserved so they can be identified. God what a tragedy.

Preserved for identification? He is a master of the spoken word. I'm a weather nut and Haiti's day temperatures are, for Haiti, mild at 30°C/86F. Preserving even 50k in say a week at those temps would be a monumental task.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20100114/NEWS/100119889?Title=US-ups-ante-on-Haitian-assistance-commits-100M

justonemorevoice
Jan 15th 2010, 04:49 AM
Preserved for identification? He is a master of the spoken word. I'm a weather nut and Haiti's day temperatures are, for Haiti, mild at 30°C/86F. Preserving even 50k in say a week at those temps would be a monumental task.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20100114/NEWS/100119889?Title=US-ups-ante-on-Haitian-assistance-commits-100M

oh jesus, its so sad and tragic and horrible. yikes.

Michael
Jan 15th 2010, 04:39 PM
If anyone is interested in the logistics of the efforts to help Haiti, or the (impressive) rapid-response contribution of the US Navy to that effort, here is a long article that discusses the situation in detail. Very interesting stuff there. :)

Article (http://www.informationdissemination.net/2010/01/calm-before-storm-in-haiti.html)

The scale of the problem in Haiti is enormous and it will take some serious logisitical solutions for the Haitian relief efforts to be functional given that the airport and port of Port au Prince are both destroyed and non-functional at this time.

As the article shows, it is the US military that will likely be the ones to get those two facilities open and operational (hopefully within the next couple of days). The article also touches upon the political implications of this emergency for the USA.

(In case anyone is curious, that particular navy blog happens to have a specialized interest in naval 'soft-power' issues and this emergency is a classic opportunity for 'soft-power')

Evangeline
Jan 15th 2010, 05:05 PM
Preserved for identification? He is a master of the spoken word. I'm a weather nut and Haiti's day temperatures are, for Haiti, mild at 30°C/86F. Preserving even 50k in say a week at those temps would be a monumental task.

http://www.blueridgenow.com/article/20100114/NEWS/100119889?Title=US-ups-ante-on-Haitian-assistance-commits-100M

Yes, there's no identifying going on. Just mass graves.

Americano
Jan 15th 2010, 05:15 PM
Yes, there's no identifying going on. Just mass graves.


Under such circumstances health of the living is the criterion.

Evangeline
Jan 15th 2010, 10:13 PM
You're right Americano.

And I just want to quote what my friend said, elsewhere:


The real cause of Haitian poverty is not due to the curse of God, but man made.
The Haitians were the first to reject slavery in the Western hemisphere. They rejected all that it stood for and freed themselves by rebellion. Slave owners were shocked and to prevent this from spreading throughout the US and Caribbean, slave owners prevailed upon the US government to reject any overtures of Haitians which would allow them to be treated as free peoples.... Sanctions of all kinds were put upon Haiti by all the colonial powers.

Americano
Jan 15th 2010, 10:33 PM
You're right Americano.

And I just want to quote what my friend said, elsewhere:


The real cause of Haitian poverty is not due to the curse of God, but man made.
The Haitians were the first to reject slavery in the Western hemisphere. They rejected all that it stood for and freed themselves by rebellion. Slave owners were shocked and to prevent this from spreading throughout the US and Caribbean, slave owners prevailed upon the US government to reject any overtures of Haitians which would allow them to be treated as free peoples.... Sanctions of all kinds were put upon Haiti by all the colonial powers.

Haiti still has a government, complete with no comments from the president. At least this one isn't a president for life.

Evangeline
Jan 15th 2010, 11:48 PM
Haiti still has a government, complete with no comments from the president. At least this one isn't a president for life.

Apparently the President survived. He's hanging out at the airport as his palace is destroyed and he's homeless.

But a lot of the people in the government have died. The USA has taken control of the airport. There are planes with nurses and doctors waiting at Turks and Cacaos because there's only one runway and they just can't land yet.

Evangeline
Jan 16th 2010, 02:03 AM
FOX is barely reporting on the Haiti tragedy. MSNBC and CNN is pretty much non-stop coverage.

I wonder what that's all about?

The Drunk Guy
Jan 16th 2010, 09:50 AM
FOX is barely reporting on the Haiti tragedy. MSNBC and CNN is pretty much non-stop coverage.

I wonder what that's all about?
Well, the folks in Haiti are black. Rednecks don't care to help the black folk.

Americano
Jan 16th 2010, 10:28 AM
Apparently the President survived. He's hanging out at the airport as his palace is destroyed and he's homeless.

But a lot of the people in the government have died. The USA has taken control of the airport. There are planes with nurses and doctors waiting at Turks and Cacaos because there's only one runway and they just can't land yet.

Another problem seems to be no jet fuel left in Haiti. Every inbound flight has to be capable of being offloaded and turned around without refueling.

There are supposed to be 6,000 US and UN combat troops en route, some have arrived, but as of yesterday nights belong to roaming looters armed with machetes. It's going to take a few days to gain some semblance of order.

Americano
Jan 16th 2010, 10:35 AM
Well, the folks in Haiti are black. Rednecks don't care to help the black folk.

Obama engaging the US in a humanitarian effort to assist Haiti in its time of need really isn't what the FOX audience wants to see or hear. Drone missiles killing civilians in the sham war on terror is more to their liking.

Evangeline
Jan 16th 2010, 01:27 PM
Well, the folks in Haiti are black. Rednecks don't care to help the black folk.

Sheesh, they have to make it so obvious? What's funny is that the righties on politicalforum.com are constantly bragging about how much more the right gives to charity than the left.


Another problem seems to be no jet fuel left in Haiti. Every inbound flight has to be capable of being offloaded and turned around without refueling.

There are supposed to be 6,000 US and UN combat troops en route, some have arrived, but as of yesterday nights belong to roaming looters armed with machetes. It's going to take a few days to gain some semblance of order.

And there are all those prisoners who escaped from jail wandering around...

Americano
Jan 16th 2010, 01:35 PM
Lots of warnings out there on 'Donate to Haiti' scams. Be cautious about providing personal info such as credit card numbers to anyone but a recognized organization with a secure website. The Red Cross says there are already numerous email and twitter messages soliciting donations by scams using the Red Cross logo and name.

Evangeline
Jan 16th 2010, 01:36 PM
Obama engaging the US in a humanitarian effort to assist Haiti in its time of need really isn't what the FOX audience wants to see or hear. Drone missiles killing civilians in the sham war on terror is more to their liking.

They sure don't. Limbaugh is even saying Obama is using this disastor for his own gain. What a disgusting pig he is.


Obama will use Haiti to boost credibility with "light-skinned and dark-skinned black community in this country"

Limbaugh: Haiti earthquake "made to order" for Obama

Evangeline
Jan 16th 2010, 01:38 PM
Lots of warnings out there on 'Donate to Haiti' scams. Be cautious about providing personal info such as credit card numbers to anyone but a recognized organization with a secure website. The Red Cross says there are already numerous email and twitter messages soliciting donations by scams using the Red Cross logo and name.

Even lower scumbags than Limbaugh.....

Americano
Jan 16th 2010, 01:55 PM
They sure don't. Limbaugh is even saying Obama is using this disastor for his own gain. What a disgusting pig he is.

Given blacks being 16% of the population it's typical Limbaugh catering to his racist audience.

Lily
Jan 16th 2010, 02:26 PM
Well, the folks in Haiti are black. Rednecks don't care to help the black folk.

Obama engaging the US in a humanitarian effort to assist Haiti in its time of need really isn't what the FOX audience wants to see or hear. Drone missiles killing civilians in the sham war on terror is more to their liking.

No, no, it's not that. According to Limbaugh, "“We've already donated to Haiti. It’s called the U.S. income tax.”

:lame:

partofme
Jan 16th 2010, 02:29 PM
Yesterday the local ABC and NBC affiliates posted a story on their Facebook pages about how President Obama is allowing people set to being deported to Haiti to stay temporarily. I couldn't believe the hateful things I heard about how we should send them back anyway. Sadly it seemed to be the view of the majority. I'm almost certain that they wouldn't be saying that if they where white and from European countries or Canada.

Evangeline
Jan 16th 2010, 02:56 PM
Yesterday the local ABC and NBC affiliates posted a story on their Facebook pages about how President Obama is allowing people set to being deported to Haiti to stay temporarily. I couldn't believe the hateful things I heard about how we should send them back anyway. Sadly it seemed to be the view of the majority. I'm almost certain that they wouldn't be saying that if they where white and from European countries or Canada.

Yeah there's some scumbag Republican saying we should send them back to help in the disastor. What an idiot.


“This sounds to me like open borders advocates exercising the Rahm Emanuel axiom: ‘Never let a crisis go to waste,’” Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, said in an e-mail message to ABCNews. “Illegal immigrants from Haiti have no reason to fear deportation, but if they are deported, Haiti is in great need of relief workers, and many of them could be a big help to their fellow Haitians.”


http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/01/republican-congressman-on-haitians-deport-them/

Really, I'm still amazed at the assholes in the Republican party. They seem to be getting worse and worse every day.

partofme
Jan 16th 2010, 03:12 PM
Yeah there's some scumbag Republican saying we should send them back to help in the disastor. What an idiot.



http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/01/republican-congressman-on-haitians-deport-them/

Really, I'm still amazed at the assholes in the Republican party. They seem to be getting worse and worse every day.

I think it's more of a cultural issue than a partisan issue. Many of the older democrats in my area are just as bad.

Evangeline
Jan 16th 2010, 03:51 PM
I think it's more of a cultural issue than a partisan issue. Many of the older democrats in my area are just as bad.

Maybe you're right. Because the Dems here in NorCal aren't crazy that way. Maybe it's a southern thing.

Yet King is from Iowa. Not exactly the south....but maybe just as 'cultural'.

Americano
Jan 16th 2010, 09:16 PM
Maybe you're right. Because the Dems here in NorCal aren't crazy that way. Maybe it's a southern thing.

How far North are you? I live in Southern Oregon, about 50-miles from the CA border. It's rural redneck and extends well into CA. It's all cultural here. Complete with extreme xenophobia, former KKK headquarters, two outlaw towns (an interesting story) and negligible law enforcement, common in rural areas.

I'm familiar with Northern California and feel the cultural gap I live in starts north from Sacramento and 75-miles north of San Francisco well into Southern Oregon. Towns like Eureka and Shasta are mean, old boy club Real American controlled.

Yet King is from Iowa. Not exactly the south....but maybe just as 'cultural'.A Republican politician saw a shot at the subject of amnesty for undocumented foreign nationals and took it? He's in a state made wealthy by public subsidies where mechanized big ag rules.

Greendruid
Jan 17th 2010, 12:10 AM
I just got the prompt from our national organisation to let them know if I'd be ready, willing and able to join a forensics team in Haiti. Given that I'm a new daddy and not innoculated against Hep or yellow fever, I think I'll pass. The need is in the next three weeks. What a horrible job that's going to be for some folks I know.

Americano
Jan 17th 2010, 10:14 AM
I just got the prompt from our national organisation to let them know if I'd be ready, willing and able to join a forensics team in Haiti. Given that I'm a new daddy and not innoculated against Hep or yellow fever, I think I'll pass. The need is in the next three weeks. What a horrible job that's going to be for some folks I know.

Identification of earthquake victims in a tropical climate. Shudder.

Evangeline
Jan 17th 2010, 02:09 PM
How far North are you? I live in Southern Oregon, about 50-miles from the CA border. It's rural redneck and extends well into CA. It's all cultural here. Complete with extreme xenophobia, former KKK headquarters, two outlaw towns (an interesting story) and negligible law enforcement, common in rural areas.

I'm familiar with Northern California and feel the cultural gap I live in starts north from Sacramento and 75-miles north of San Francisco well into Southern Oregon. Towns like Eureka and Shasta are mean, old boy club Real American controlled.

A Republican politician saw a shot at the subject of amnesty for undocumented foreign nationals and took it? He's in a state made wealthy by public subsidies where mechanized big ag rules.

I'm in the East Bay. I've driven up your way lots of times. I know what you mean....

Michael
Jan 19th 2010, 01:48 PM
The Canadian Navy arrives in Haiti today...

Canada’s two naval ships are scheduled to be docked off Haiti today as crew members begin to help in the humanitarian effort of a country still reeling from last week’s devastating 7.0-magnitude earthquake.

HMCS Halifax and HMCS Athabaskan pulled away from the Halifax dockyards Thursday afternoon and slowly closed in on the disaster-stricken country yesterday.

According to the CBC, 60-person teams will go ashore from inflatable boats while both ships remain at sea. The CBC reports the sailors will be protected by a naval boarding party carrying 9-mm handguns in response to a large amount of lawlessness taking place.

Brig.-Gen. Guy Laroche, who is commanding the Canadian military contingent, told the CBC HMCS Athabaskan is docking near Port-au-Prince while HMCS Halifax is going to Jacmel, a town cut off from the rest of the country since the earthquake.

The soldiers will aid in search-and-rescue efforts and distribute clothes, purified water, food, tents, blankets, and medical supplies.

In case anyone is curious, HMCS Halifax and HMCS Athabaskan are both Frigate class warships (Canada has about eight of this type of ship, mostly built in the 1990s and they provide the backbone of Canada's Naval forces).

Source (http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/canada/article/426687--navy-set-to-go-ashore-in-haiti-today)

Lily
Jan 19th 2010, 05:14 PM
We're getting about 4500 Haitian evacuees into Florida, most of them American citizens. But from the comments here, you'd think Florida has opened it's borders to a bunch of machete-wielding criminals who are going to break into our houses and kill our children. I swear, sometimes I'm ashamed I'm an American. Here's just a sample (http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1066513.ece):

These Haitian people live by gang rule. There used to poverty and gang rule they have no respect for the law or themselves there extremely uneducated, 1 in 3 has HIV, there not nice people. Torture is an accepted practice in Haiti. Gang members will take over Haiti after all this unprecedented aid is gone. I don't remember this much of an out pouring of help for our own Katrina victims? I have dealt with the "ZOES" god help them and god help Florida. Where so nice, let them in let them live here, UGH!!! they'll just be a further burden to an already crumbling health care/welfare system. This is a people who have done nothing for themselves for century's. They have no exports no agriculture never produced anything worthwhile to the world. HELP THEM IN THERE COUNTY BY ALL MEANS BUT KEEP THEM THERE or I would urge everyone to go out and buy guns these are ruthless people you don't want as a neighbor they make Mafia look like choir boys.

Michael
Jan 19th 2010, 05:26 PM
We're getting about 4500 Haitian evacuees into Florida, most of them American citizens. But from the comments here, you'd think Florida has opened it's borders to a bunch of machete-wielding criminals who are going to break into our houses and kill our children. I swear, sometimes I'm ashamed I'm an American. Here's just a sample (http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1066513.ece):

These Haitian people live by gang rule. There used to poverty and gang rule they have no respect for the law or themselves there extremely uneducated, 1 in 3 has HIV, there not nice people. Torture is an accepted practice in Haiti. Gang members will take over Haiti after all this unprecedented aid is gone. I don't remember this much of an out pouring of help for our own Katrina victims? I have dealt with the "ZOES" god help them and god help Florida. Where so nice, let them in let them live here, UGH!!! they'll just be a further burden to an already crumbling health care/welfare system. This is a people who have done nothing for themselves for century's. They have no exports no agriculture never produced anything worthwhile to the world. HELP THEM IN THERE COUNTY BY ALL MEANS BUT KEEP THEM THERE or I would urge everyone to go out and buy guns these are ruthless people you don't want as a neighbor they make Mafia look like choir boys.
Few things in this world amuse me as much as these type of rants that go on about how some other people are "extremely uneducated" all delivered with sufficient spelling/grammar errors to accuse the author of being uneducated! :lol:

Americano
Jan 19th 2010, 09:48 PM
We're getting about 4500 Haitian evacuees into Florida, most of them American citizens. But from the comments here, you'd think Florida has opened it's borders to a bunch of machete-wielding criminals who are going to break into our houses and kill our children. I swear, sometimes I'm ashamed I'm an American. Here's just a sample (http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/article1066513.ece):

These Haitian people live by gang rule. There used to poverty and gang rule they have no respect for the law or themselves there extremely uneducated, 1 in 3 has HIV, there not nice people. Torture is an accepted practice in Haiti. Gang members will take over Haiti after all this unprecedented aid is gone. I don't remember this much of an out pouring of help for our own Katrina victims? I have dealt with the "ZOES" god help them and god help Florida. Where so nice, let them in let them live here, UGH!!! they'll just be a further burden to an already crumbling health care/welfare system. This is a people who have done nothing for themselves for century's. They have no exports no agriculture never produced anything worthwhile to the world. HELP THEM IN THERE COUNTY BY ALL MEANS BUT KEEP THEM THERE or I would urge everyone to go out and buy guns these are ruthless people you don't want as a neighbor they make Mafia look like choir boys.

Sounds like some Floridians use an analogy of Cuba emptying its prisons and mental institutions into primarily Florida equals potential Haitian refuges.

I don't think the US is in a financial or societal position to absorb all Haitians desiring relocation to the US. Presented with opportunity to leave, considering only the yet to be estimated capital requirements and time to rebuild a majority of Haiti's infrastructure and residential/commercial properties, most would want to leave for assurance of basic necessities and beyond. Investment capital not guaranteed by a sovereign nation will avoid Haiti. Haitians have a very rough road ahead.

My state used to resent California immigrants until they far outnumbered those second generation natives who attempted to kill off the first generation.

Americano
Jan 19th 2010, 09:57 PM
I'm in the East Bay. I've driven up your way lots of times. I know what you mean....

I lived in the City two different times, pleasurable experiences other than the vicious divorce, in my opinion second to only NYC in US cosmopolitan cities.

Lily
Jan 20th 2010, 03:21 AM
Sounds like some Floridians use an analogy of Cuba emptying its prisons and mental institutions into primarily Florida equals potential Haitian refuges.

I don't think the US is in a financial or societal position to absorb all Haitians desiring relocation to the US. Presented with opportunity to leave, considering only the yet to be estimated capital requirements and time to rebuild a majority of Haiti's infrastructure and residential/commercial properties, most would want to leave for assurance of basic necessities and beyond. Investment capital not guaranteed by a sovereign nation will avoid Haiti. Haitians have a very rough road ahead.

My state used to resent California immigrants until they far outnumbered those second generation natives who attempted to kill off the first generation.

Perhaps the article should have been written differently. Perhaps it should have read, "Florida is accepting evacuees from Haiti who are American citizens. They've been through hell and survived. In disasters and wars, we first go in and get our own. But don't worry, guys. Most of them are white Christian missionaries. We're putting them up at the Holiday Inn until their families can come bail them out and fly them home to North Carolina. They aren't going to stay here and get on welfare on anything."

Americano
Jan 20th 2010, 10:00 AM
Perhaps the article should have been written differently. Perhaps it should have read, "Florida is accepting evacuees from Haiti who are American citizens. They've been through hell and survived. In disasters and wars, we first go in and get our own. But don't worry, guys. Most of them are white Christian missionaries. We're putting them up at the Holiday Inn until their families can come bail them out and fly them home to North Carolina. They aren't going to stay here and get on welfare on anything."

Florida would have rolled out the red carpet with marching bands for their arrival.

Americano
Jan 20th 2010, 10:44 AM
(not for Michael)

The estimate of earthquake dead in Haiti is now expected to exceed 200,000. Here are some of the problems associated with disposal:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/01/14/haiti.mass.fatalities.bodies/

Michael
Jan 29th 2010, 11:28 AM
Wow - praise for Canadian military coming from an American military blogger? :eek:

The Canadians Kick Ass

When Haiti first happened I raised the question who would play the role of India during the Tsunami. The answer is Canada. If the numbers cited above are accurate, there is evidence the US Navy has been less than efficient with their Navy vessels supporting operations in Haiti. The same cannot be said about Canada.

Not sure if you heard, but on the same night George Clooney raised $61 million for Haiti, one of two telethons took place in Canada, and between the two telethons Canadians have raised $20 million in donations for Haiti - which the government has pledged to match.

Canada currently has 1,400 soldiers, sailors, and air crew on the ground or off the coast, a number expected to reach 2,000 by Sunday. Canada has two ships, HMCS Halifax (FFH 330) and HMCS Athabaskan (DDH 282), one Sea King, six Griffon helicopters, one C-17, one C-130, hundreds of vehicles, and a military field hospital operating in support of Haiti (source). Most of their work has been centered around the city of Jacmel, a town of 40,000 south of the earthquake epicenter that was devastated. There is an airport there, and it has been opened. Because the radar equipment was completely destroyed, HMCS Halifax (FFH 330) is running air traffic control from sea.

HMCS Athabaskan (DDH 282) had been operating in Léogâne where the Canadians set up a military field hospital. Léogâne is where the 22nd MEU has now set up operations. HMCS Athabaskan (DDH 282) left Léogâne on Wednesday for Jamaica to pick up supplies, fuel, and the 165 Canadian soldiers from the Royal 22nd Regiment, known as the Van Doos.

When you look at how much the Canadians have been able to do with just two ships, it is quite remarkable and a reminder that alternative force structures bring a lot of flexibility to operations. The Canadians are trying to link a road (that remains blocked) from Léogâne to Jacmel. The ports in both cities are closed, and without that road the people live off aid the Canadians provide and the support of airfields like the one the Canadians opened in Jacmel.

This is one of the Canadian Navy's finest hours. I noticed a poll where 66% of the Canadian people believe the government response to Haiti has been "Just Right." All that poll tells me is 34% of the Canadian people don't know excellence when they see it.

Source (http://www.informationdissemination.net/2010/01/observing-haiti-and-operation-unified.html)

Anyway, it must be a cold day in hell today. ;)